tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post1459262347733062861..comments2023-08-09T10:02:12.914-05:00Comments on Don't Drink the Flavor Aid: Ronald Weinland on Governance in Y2KMike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)http://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comBlogger217125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-4359699939855032472009-07-13T16:55:04.658-05:002009-07-13T16:55:04.658-05:00K: "Dear oh me - I'm going to come accros...K: "Dear oh me - I'm going to come accross as an idiot here, but did GTA prophesy as well? I didn't realise that other COG's actually propheise"<br /><br />Oh, Kirrily, don't feel overly bad. I was caught in the exact same trap as you. You got out, that's what MATTERS!!! :)<br /><br />To answer you, yes. Garner Ted was the main voice of the WCG for decades. He is just as responsible for many of the WCG teachings as Herbert W. is. But prophecy is the mainstay of all COG groups. They all do it.<br /><br />You see, William Miller started the whole ball rolling back in the 1840's. After that Ellen G. White pulled the false prophecy line. Then A. N. Dugger and G. G. Rupert of the COG7. Then Herbert W. Armstrong. I say that to emphasize there is a long tradition of false prophecy in the COGs, and that has been passed on to the likes of Ron Weinland et al. It's a formula. A formula that works! $$$$$ *cha-ching*<br /><br />It's not about prophecy, you must understand, but fear. Wonder about some new interpretation reels you in but fear motivated by the doom and gloom prophecies keeps the sheep in line and paying. All the COGs do it. I can think of one and only one COG group that has de-emphasized it.<br /><br />But chin up, dear. IMHO you're doing the right thing by not blaming God, going back to basics, and trying to be the best person you can. Mistakes and being deceived are a fact of life. What you do with what you've learned is what distinguishes the wise from the fool.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-4979234171170691512009-07-13T16:40:55.747-05:002009-07-13T16:40:55.747-05:00"Perhaps xHWA made a typo. I suspect he was r..."Perhaps xHWA made a typo. I suspect he was referring to the June/July 1934 issue"<br /><br />Did I put 1936?? Typo confirmed! I did mean 1934. d'oh! So very sorry about that.<br /><br />I was thinking of 1936 as being important to the timeline, but wanting to write 1934 because that's the edition I was referring to.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-34893445846353944992009-07-13T15:15:25.134-05:002009-07-13T15:15:25.134-05:00WO -- here you be. Read these two sites:
This wil...WO -- here you be. Read these two sites:<br /><br />This will give you all the Plain Truth Magazine you can stomach, and then some:<br /><br />http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.org/Plain%20Truth.html<br /><br />And here are two more I think you may get some value from because the info is already summarized for you:<br /><br />http://xhwa.blogspot.com/2008/10/few-of-my-favorite-quotes.html<br /><br />http://xhwa.blogspot.com/2009/01/church-government-image-of-beast.htmlxHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-19113909997167370522009-07-12T09:39:24.966-05:002009-07-12T09:39:24.966-05:00w/o,
i meant to tell you this sooner, but pleas...w/o,<br /> i meant to tell you this sooner, but please look up the word prophesy in the dictionary.toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-59173059707346969962009-07-12T01:18:52.485-05:002009-07-12T01:18:52.485-05:00Perhaps it's a sign, WO. ;)Perhaps it's a sign, WO. ;)Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-35645012438637024292009-07-11T19:22:43.548-05:002009-07-11T19:22:43.548-05:00Mike, I managed to open the file but it comes out ...Mike, I managed to open the file but it comes out as jumble. It says it's because the document is untagged. Could you email me the text of that June-July 1934 article, copy and paste it in to a message?Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-76658074903319582642009-07-11T18:48:56.285-05:002009-07-11T18:48:56.285-05:00HWA - boy, I really feel stupid for not doing more...<i>HWA - boy, I really feel stupid for not doing more research into PKG before I 'joined'. One of the other members told me just at the beginning that he Googled Ron, and nothing bad came up about him.</i><br /><br />Don't feel bad. There wasn't that much about Weinland on the Internet before late in 2007. Ambassador Watch had a post mocking Ron's release of 2008 GFW, and Thielogical Bob had a post prior to that. <br /><br />Things began to change when Ron ramped up his spending on Google ads after the 2007 FoT, and by early in 2008 as the first timeline approached the discussion increased.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-59002040732933322682009-07-11T17:55:13.927-05:002009-07-11T17:55:13.927-05:00Perhaps xHWA made a typo. I suspect he was referr...Perhaps xHWA made a typo. I suspect he was referring to the June/July 193<b>4</b> issue of the Plain Truth downloadable from <a href="http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.org/indexPT1930.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a>. The 1934 issue has a prophetic timeline. <br /><br />I also have met Garner Ted, but much longer ago than you. I hope your baptism was chaperoned ;) But probably by his 70's he tamed down. <br /><br />GTA's own web site has <a href="http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/announce1.shtml" rel="nofollow">this page</a> which indicates he continued to talk prophecy even after his break with daddy Herb. But I doubt anywhere near what Ron does.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-42859867385258654402009-07-11T17:13:31.529-05:002009-07-11T17:13:31.529-05:00The only things worse is trying to reach someone c...The only things worse is trying to reach someone captivated by it.<br /><br /><br /><br />Dill WeedDill Weednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-85466278535351729072009-07-11T17:06:13.783-05:002009-07-11T17:06:13.783-05:00Dill Weed said:
"This is the language of dec...Dill Weed said:<br /><br />"This is the language of deception and delay. The prophecy is soon going to be fulfilled, it is just around the corner, nearer now than ever before, don't let your guard down, don't let doubt creep in, stay strong in the faith, don't be decieved. Then the coup de grace - that you can only undertand if God grants it. I suppose that would be OK if he were speaking a language no one else understood".<br /><br />That is EXACTLY, PRECISELY my experience. It's enough to drive a person insane.Kirrily XPKGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-64107157432108108702009-07-11T16:54:40.470-05:002009-07-11T16:54:40.470-05:00XHWA:
Dear oh me - I'm going to come accross ...XHWA:<br /><br />Dear oh me - I'm going to come accross as an idiot here, but did GTA prophesy as well? I didn't realise that other COG's actually propheised (I do know of one at the moment who is doing it - came up with the second timeline before Ron - won't mention him, I don't believe him either). I know, I'm coming off pretty naive here aren't I :-)<br /><br />I have never resesearched any other COG really, apart from being in GTA (XHWA - I did have the same experience in GTA - joined in 2002 I think? - the end is IMINENT etc.<br /><br />One of our members was always looking at the news, particularly for events concerning a 'cornerstone' in the 'Holy Place' (BTW - Ron raves on all the time about Jerusalum not being Holy - yet the Bible calls it Holy A LOT).<br /><br />Anyway, I can recall GTA saying that his Dad had a lot 'wrong' and how upsetting it was when he married his second wife, and how devesting it was with HWA threw GTA out. GTA also said that HWA took the credit for a LOT of stuff that GTA himself actually wrote.<br /><br />When I was in GTA (where I first learned the 'truths') I couldn't put any of the booklets down - just gorged myself on the stuff.<br /><br />I had never had an experience like it.<br /><br />I was brought up a Seventh Day Adventist (so Sabbath was nothing new) but other beliefs of traditional christianty where a SHOCK.<br /><br />Anyway, I cried and cried and cried when GTA died. He baptised me on a trip to Australia - and I never will forget how lovely he was to me. <br /><br />I heard all the other stuff about him later (but because I loved him I ignored all that - boy, I'm good at doing that hey!).<br /><br />I must say, the most painful relegious experience I have ever had was in the pentecostal churches. Ron Weinland PALES in comparison to their junk - I REALLY REALLY mean that. I didn't know what pain was until I was in there.<br /><br />To be fair, I was married to a pentecostal pastors son at the time, and my new 'truths' went down like a lead balloon! So I am sure all reading this can understand where most of my pain came from.<br /><br />I'm all together off ANY relegion now.<br /><br />I would rather an antheist as a friend than any type of 'christian' any day.<br /><br />Did I wake up on the wrong side of the bed? ;-)<br /><br />HWA - boy, I really feel stupid for not doing more research into PKG before I 'joined'. One of the other members told me just at the beginning that he Googled Ron, and nothing bad came up about him.<br /><br />That's all the "research" I did! I was in, hook, line and sinker.<br /><br />*sigh* - My conclusion: Jesus will come back whenever he is ready. I will live my life, obey what I know to the best of my ability. I am going to live my life now to it's fullest. I hope to have a child. I will raise that child to the best of my ability, and be the best person I can be. When Jesus DOES come back, I guess then I will know the truth - repent, and live how He wants me too.<br /><br />If that is wrong after all I have TRIED to do, well, I just can't do anymore. It will kill me otherwise - seriously.<br /><br />What more could God ask of a person?<br /><br />None of this is HIS fault, it is mine.<br /><br />I do really wonder though, as Mike mentions - why don't the warnings in Deut. happen to all these false prophets?<br /><br />I just don't understand. Somtimes in my darker times, I wonder if any of it is true at all.<br /><br />Mmmmmm - maybe I will convert to Jedi! (I do love Star Wars, and Ewen McGregor wouldn't be too bad as my God he he he!!).Kirrily XPKGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-23414943162592160492009-07-11T16:09:18.451-05:002009-07-11T16:09:18.451-05:00Adobi 9.0 installed. 1936 article not found. Reade...Adobi 9.0 installed. 1936 article not found. Reader works, but will have to sort out why text comes out as jumble. Wish me luck!<br />Some interesting bits to that last sermon for all, no matter the kind of ears. If swine flue closes the Feast sites, it will be very severe by then.<br />Ron's story was interesting. Any comments?Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-55263307994379305852009-07-11T14:20:02.564-05:002009-07-11T14:20:02.564-05:00WO,
You are being strung along. Given in little p...WO,<br /><br />You are being strung along. Given in little pieces and can't be released officially until later or not to be given until it happens or until God gives more. <br /><br />This is the language of deception and delay. The prophecy is soon going to be fulfilled, it is just around the corner, nearer now than ever before, don't let your guard down, don't let doubt creep in, stay strong in the faith, don't be decieved. Then the coup de grace - that you can only undertand if God grants it. I suppose that would be OK if he were speaking a language no one else understood. <br /><br />Consider, they are God's witnesses, would God have them come and give a witness no one could understand?<br /><br />You don't have to answer. I'd rather you didn't actually.Dill Weednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-17570044566035868442009-07-11T13:50:29.693-05:002009-07-11T13:50:29.693-05:00Latest version of Abode Acrobat
http://get.adobe....Latest version of Abode Acrobat<br /><br />http://get.adobe.com/reader/<br /><br />Dill WeedDill Weednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-26363007349871240172009-07-11T13:37:47.253-05:002009-07-11T13:37:47.253-05:00I'm running Acrobat Reader version 8 and have ...I'm running Acrobat Reader version 8 and have no issues.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-2032327160984182502009-07-11T13:33:19.252-05:002009-07-11T13:33:19.252-05:00Mike, I have PDF 7 and the files were created with...Mike, I have PDF 7 and the files were created with an earlier version. Do you have PDF 7 or greater?Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-71834279154003372892009-07-11T13:22:26.479-05:002009-07-11T13:22:26.479-05:00Thanks, Dill Weed. You've confirmed my impres...Thanks, Dill Weed. You've confirmed my impression of Ron's "prophesy" on unemployment -- it was a report, not a prophesy. Guess we've got the same ears to hear without the extra ears to "hear" stuff that wasn't actually said.<br /><br />WO: I've found the HWA searchable library to be a valuable resource in my research. And have corresponded with the webmaster, who seems like an amiable fellow.<br /><br />As far as your issue with PDF files, I'm afraid you'll have to sort it out for yourself. I'm mystified as to why you have a problem with them, as Adobe has gone out of their way to make reading of PDF files available to the masses. PDF files nowadays are almost as ubiquitous as ASCII text files as far as being able to read them.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-40853173299994146162009-07-11T13:14:30.583-05:002009-07-11T13:14:30.583-05:00I have read some of Armstrong's writings and l...I have read some of Armstrong's writings and listened to some material but there is so much more that I can lookat through the hwacompendium.com website. I can't find an archive or else I would read that plain truth magazine and others. Give me a website of archives of Armstrong's material and I'll look at it.<br />Ron himself states in the Prophesied End Time that you should read and learn from whatever you can find from Armstrong. Help me out. There is one link that I know of that uses adobi acrobat files that my computer won't open, the searchable library. Find me sites with Armstrong's writing/audio that I don't know about and I'll read it. You all seam to claim to be experts on Armstrong's prophesies. Lead me to articles and writings, not just articles that slam him. I will check them out and will learn much from them.Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-54616753357486202202009-07-11T13:14:05.321-05:002009-07-11T13:14:05.321-05:00Mike,
I re-listened to it from the beginning. He ...Mike,<br /><br />I re-listened to it from the beginning. He said, “I was thinking yesterday, they are talking about 8.9% unemployment. Fannie may needs billions more and the banks need billions more and yet the stock market is climbing. Just look at it and you think of the insanity that’s going on out there. The next time around when the underpinning of all this comes undone. It’s going to be a bad one because THAT’S HE BIG FALL THEN. This country and other parts of the world are setting themselves up for a bigger fall.”<br /><br />First part is recollection – not prophesy. The 'big fall' is not specific. It can be put off into the future forever and when it does not materialize then ‘God is in the process of humbling the nations this way’ he just hasn’t got around to it yet. <br /><br />Some economists have predicted another decrease too. Ron is just repeating them and amplifying it. Standard stuff and safe to because it can’t be refuted and can be dangled out there again.<br /><br />Pretty ho-hum if you ask me.<br /><br />Dill WeedDill Weednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-89377740545157799372009-07-11T12:36:19.835-05:002009-07-11T12:36:19.835-05:00I think that xHWA said it best on his blog (I may ...I think that xHWA said it best on his blog (I may be paraphrasing as I couldn't find the exact quote)<br /><br />"Prophecy is as prophecy does".<br /><br />HWA's apologists point out that he did not declare himself to be a prophet of the God of Abraham (although Weinland has). Therefore, the penalties of Deut 18 don't apply to HWA. Whatever, so @#$%ing what!! None of these false prophets have ever been stoned or put to death in any other manner for their false prophesying.<br /><br />HWA did represent himself as an apostle of God and and allowed himself to be referred to as an end-time Elijah. The distinction as to whether he formally declared himself a prophet of God is lost on those who bought into this crap. Any arguing over the point is jail-house lawyering. HWA prophesied, and prophesied falsely. Period. He was a False Prophet. Get it???Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-1665527926486483282009-07-11T12:30:55.429-05:002009-07-11T12:30:55.429-05:00w/o...the bs about him talking about unemployment ...w/o...the bs about him talking about unemployment as prophesy is about to put me to sleep.<br />it's unfortunate you can't see that it was nothing more than anyone in the mainstream had said.toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-35309940252492749882009-07-11T12:22:18.916-05:002009-07-11T12:22:18.916-05:00WO - "Herbert W Armstrong was not a prophet. ...WO - "Herbert W Armstrong was not a prophet. Nore did he claim to be."<br /><br />This is why I say you're uninformed. This has been disproved more times than should be necessary. It is all readily available on the Internet. And you should familiarize yourself with that information before making such claims.<br /><br />"Armstrong never stated something will happen for sure. He did speculate but said that dates were not set."<br /><br />Once again, this is not only false, but it borders on willful ignorance. <br /><br />Should you but take a casual glance at something other than COG propaganda and read the writings of Herbert Armstrong himself (get the earliest copies since the later the printing the more they have been altered), you will plainly see that not only was he quite specific, but were dates set, timelines drawn out in charts, claims were made that the information was clear in the Bible and given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, etc.<br /><br />Once again, for a specific example, read the June/July edition of the Plain Truth 1936.<br /><br />You can claim HWA wasn't a prophet, but he gave prophecies, wrote on prophecies, approved the printing of prophecies by Garner Ted, Rod Merideth, and Herman Hoeh -- many of which were detailed and exactingly specific. NONE of which came to pass.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-38318489661206947402009-07-11T12:14:59.323-05:002009-07-11T12:14:59.323-05:00Dill Weed: Did you re-listen to the May 9 sermon f...Dill Weed: Did you re-listen to the May 9 sermon file with announcements I put on line? At about 3:45, Ron says:<br />"<b>They’re</b> talking about 8.9% unemployment"<br /><br />Do you find his statement to be prophetic? Or even predictive? (please re-listen to the part after this statement as well).<br /><br />Did Ron get this from God? Or maybe it was CNBC?Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-45679545261907092932009-07-11T12:04:33.256-05:002009-07-11T12:04:33.256-05:00Todd, Ron mentions prophesy and news but he seams ...Todd, Ron mentions prophesy and news but he seams to do it very briefly. An example is how he talked about the unemployment rate in May and the economy appearing to improve for a while and then collapse. Those are little tidbids that can be missed easily so I'm surprised people like Dill who listen for the purpose of hearing prophesy alone hasn't picked up on some of this. Ron seams to be given info by God in little pieces. Then he gets the revelation and hints at it's meaning until he can officially reveal the whole thing. That's what happened with time, times, and half a time. This Weightier Matters of the Law series set will be tied to something else when it is done perhaps. Also, Ron hinted at a future sermon on judgement and Revelation. This is how God gives inspiration and understanding. God gives spiritual knollege but every week there is some mention to what will be given in the future or to prophesy in one way for another.Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-41307278438140010602009-07-11T11:42:32.189-05:002009-07-11T11:42:32.189-05:00does RW even mention anything in the news that is ...does RW even mention anything in the news that is actual signs of the end times as told in revelations?<br />particularly i am refering to articles on druge report stating:<br />gore says climate bill will usher in global governance.<br />or, china, india and russia pushing for new global currency. this is gaining in popular opinion.<br /><br />as i stated previously, i believe we are in the end times...i just don't believe rw is who he claims to be.toddnoreply@blogger.com