tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post9090068535255456760..comments2023-08-09T10:02:12.914-05:00Comments on Don't Drink the Flavor Aid: Mockers and ObserversMike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)http://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-81640212334076102532009-07-14T07:00:38.355-05:002009-07-14T07:00:38.355-05:00Commenting has been disabled as Don't Drink th...Commenting has been disabled as Don't Drink the Flavor Aid has moved to a new home. <br /><br />See you there.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-30784584340750216142009-07-14T06:49:52.474-05:002009-07-14T06:49:52.474-05:00Keeping the flow, Observer responded (mostly):
WO:...Keeping the flow, Observer responded (mostly):<br /><i>WO: Reading the Bible and listening to sermons and asking God to give you understanding by His Spirit are the best things you could be doing right now. I only gave you the other site because you wanted the info. I haven't used it much myself. I found it one day when I was trying to find the full context of a quote from HWA that I had read. In that instance it was most helpful. <br /><br />God's Spirit is definitely at work in you. It is apparent by the fruit in your life and your understanding. As I said before, I believe that God has given you a greater measure of His grace because of your young age and the times we live in. I also believe that it is no coincidence that we have met here on this site. It would be a great joy to witness your baptism. Continue to stand in that grace that He has given</i><br /><br />And I would respond that the best thing you could do is carefully check out what Ron says Vs reality.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-43090475652205685832009-07-14T06:45:51.703-05:002009-07-14T06:45:51.703-05:00WO said:
Well Mike you seam to believe that withou...WO said:<br /><i>Well Mike you seam to believe that without a doubt there will be a third timeline. I did listen to the statement on taxes and he never said to not pay them but that it might end up happening that payment is not going to be the same or that maybe there will be no need to worry about paying taxes. Also, I still can't quite understand why you would think we believe without proof. I have proof. Truth, consistency, time cycles, current events, maybe I'm missing something. God gives the proof not man. I can do research and by can I mean have done. However I still won't be able to get it without God. Nobody will.<br /><br />Observer, Thanks for the advice. I may very well do just that.<br />I'll eventually figure out this PDF stuff. I might even contact the site for some help at some point in time. For now, there is plenty to listen to and read. So far, I have listened to the first 7 sermons of 2001 and I like to read the entire chapter of scriptures quoted to understand in full context. Then there is always something to pray about. The plain reality is that I won't be able to get through all the material available. I'm just listening to the sermons in order for now. What I realize is that I can understand scriptures but am limited in understanding those related to God's spirit dwelling in humans and exactly how it works. I understand aspects of it but I feel that I need God's spirit before being able to fully understand those verses. Is this a common experience before baptism? Also, this might be hard to answer but if you can: what difference will I notice when I am baptized someday? on that note, I just realized that when I do get baptized it will be by someone in God's family!<br /></i><br /><br />Also said some other stuff, which I do get. Don't try it again.<br /><br />Repeating a point:<br /><br /><i>Well Mike you seam to believe that without a doubt there will be a third timeline.</i><br /><br />WO, you seem (or in your vernacular "seam") to have a perception problem. Since I proposed an alternative, it's clear to those who have eyes to read that I have doubts that there will be a third timeline.<br /><br />And I understand that you'll argue that since Ronnie didn't speak the words "don't pay your taxes", that he didn't tell his followers that they wouldn't have to pay taxes for 2008. You're quite willing to be literal when it suits you and infer at other times when it suits you.<br /><br />The only thing consistent with Ron is how wrong he has been. Perhaps God has given proof that he is a false prophet by keeping all 5 of the ministers alive.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-37248769230661220022009-07-14T06:17:45.086-05:002009-07-14T06:17:45.086-05:00WO: I used the link I gave you this morning and it...WO: I used the link I gave you this morning and it works for me. I have an "Apple"; maybe that makes a difference. Give it a try anyway.Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-29241421660878030602009-07-14T05:41:27.813-05:002009-07-14T05:41:27.813-05:00Observer, your link is broken. Use this link inst...Observer, your link is broken. Use <a href="http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.org/index2.html" rel="nofollow">this link</a> instead. But it won't do WO any good, as he is technically challenged and not able to read the PDF files there. Or view JPGs.<br /><br />"Observers", the fact that you believe what you do dosen't offend me. The fact that you believe without any proof in favor and lots of proof in opposition is just amazing. Watching you duck, bob, and weave in this discussion has been interesting. Your beliefs don't offend me, I just find them ridiculous fiction, and that you hold them appalling and amazing. <br /><br />Observer: When you said to Kirrily, (after misspelling her name)<br /><i>I hope you find some answers. I think I need to say this. You say that you know exactly where I'm coming from and how I think/feel. I would like to respectfully say, "No you don't."</i> <br /><br />Now that was pure BS. Kirrily has been where you are and better than anyone else here would know where you're coming from. The answers you think she should find are the wrong ones.<br /><br />Kirrily has figured out the most important answer -- that to the question of whether or not Weinland really is God's witness. <br /><br />And you know what? She figured it out on her own. Without the influences of "rabid Weinland haters" and "demon inspired" bloggers such as myself. Kirrily did not contact me until after she exited on her own, without influence from me. I'm happy to help her in some small way sort through the aftermath. But that help has never been in bolstering her resolve -- she has never expressed the slightest doubt that Ron's prophecies are false.<br /><br />Eventually Weinland will have to either stop (or be stopped), or he'll have to go to a new timeline. Hopefully when that time comes you will be able to deal with it (better if it happens beforehand). But I rather expect that you'll follow him into his third timeline with equal zeal, parroting his lame justifications.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-74359051861077507052009-07-14T05:03:15.017-05:002009-07-14T05:03:15.017-05:00Good morning WO: I am no wiz when it comes to comp...Good morning WO: I am no wiz when it comes to computers but I have been able to find some good articles here with no problem. Hope it works for you.<br />http:www.herbert-w-armstrong.org/indexwcg.html Happy reading. It should keep you busy if it works on your computer.<br /><br />I know that part of your reason for staying here is that you don't want to offend anyone (you have a good heart) but remember, we offend simply because we believe what we do. Take care and enjoy the sunshine. : )Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-81221529719902445662009-07-13T23:24:25.888-05:002009-07-13T23:24:25.888-05:00WO:
However Adobi Acrobat is irratating me as I c...WO:<br /><br /><i>However Adobi Acrobat is irratating me as I can't seam to figure out how to get it to work properly. THe text that does come up ends up jumbled. If only they would stick to txt and doc, and by they I mean everyone!</i><br /><br />Well WO, it seems we have a generational difference here. Some things you've probably never experienced:<br />-- telephones with actual dials<br />-- cars with dimmer switches on the floor. Oops, you're still a bit young even for that distinction<br />-- "do not fold, spindle, or mutilate"<br />-- mimeograph machines.<br /><br />Mimeograph machines are how the earliest Plain Truths were published. Well in advance of .doc files or .txt files. Heck, well in advance of the definition of ASCII code. Probably you don't understand that .txt files are composed with ASCII coded characters. 1934 was the era of Hollerith code.<br /><br />But I must say, for someone of your generation, you are technically challenged if you have problems viewing PDF and JPG files. My 4 1/2 year-old grandson already knows how to drive a mouse and probably by the time he's 8 will be well conversant in that type of thing.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-16762339850567622132009-07-13T23:01:53.303-05:002009-07-13T23:01:53.303-05:00WO said: First of all, Ron never incouraged this. ...WO said: <i>First of all, Ron never incouraged this. He never said not too pay taxes, etc.</i><br /><br />Baloney. Listen to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQORofv5ziM" rel="nofollow">his statement on taxes</a>. And don't give us your apologetic nonsense that because he didn't speak the exact words "don't pay your taxes" that he didn't say it. That message was extremely clear to his followers.<br /><br /><i>I already explained about the overspending aspect, Ron repented.</i> <br /><br />More apologetic nonsense and baloney. Ron didn't repent. He regretted. You probably don't understand the difference, but I do.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-1404950077584256512009-07-13T21:13:51.663-05:002009-07-13T21:13:51.663-05:00xHWA I would read the plain truth magazines, all o...xHWA I would read the plain truth magazines, all of them. However Adobi Acrobat is irratating me as I can't seam to figure out how to get it to work properly. THe text that does come up ends up jumbled. If only they would stick to txt and doc, and by they I mean everyone!<br /><br />I never said I wouldn't post here anymore, just that I may end up posting less. In case anyone hasn't noticed, thisblog-Observer-Dill = a reduced number of posts. That-Weinland Observer would be even less.<br />It is clear that large amounts of money are spent on advertising. Also, I actually am 15 and I see no reason to doubt this. To top this off, I never said I came on this site just to find friends and am not desperate for friends as I have many. I have been keen on coming here to talk about Ron and met many people here, some of which don't post as much. I already explained everything on the five point list. Either you get it or you don't.<br />I'm not going away, just evolving to a blog that will begin having a much smaller number of posts.<br /><br />xHWA, I hope you enjoyed your vacation.<br />Again, I never said I wouldn't be posting here, just that it might, Might, happen a little less often for several reasons. Right here I'll just state a couple of them: life, less comments to respond to here, questions that I already answered.<br />I am learning one thing. We do need to agree to disagree and understand or nothing will come from the comments on this blog.Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-19843286972667677002009-07-13T20:48:57.259-05:002009-07-13T20:48:57.259-05:00I don't know how young he really is though. Mi...I don't know how young he really is though. Might be a big ruse.<br /><br />Ever wonder how Weinland followers justify sipping lattes from Starbucks that they know is breaking the sabbath? Tsk, Tsk. Seems to me a prophet shouldn't be breaking the sabbath like that. I see no ox in the ditch anywhere in that picture.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-88324167075045760042009-07-13T20:42:24.607-05:002009-07-13T20:42:24.607-05:00young man thinks pretty highly of himself, wouldn&...young man thinks pretty highly of himself, wouldn't you say mark?<br />that's not prideful though is it?<br />loltoddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-1869836029220721762009-07-13T19:49:59.752-05:002009-07-13T19:49:59.752-05:00"I honestly think this blog is going to start..."I honestly think this blog is going to start getting boring without Dill and Observer and that this will only become even more so without me posting much."<br /><br />Boring to you I'd imagine. This blog's been quite interesting to me long before you came along and will continue to be long after you aren't posting anymore.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-60224820533237481072009-07-13T19:45:36.919-05:002009-07-13T19:45:36.919-05:00"Mark, you gather this but every point is inc..."Mark, you gather this but every point is incorrect.<br />1. I specificallly stated several prophesies."<br /><br />No, you haven't. Saying "thunders" doesn't in any way explain how that prophecy is fulfilled. In fact, I have a slew of evidence to the contrary. Also, a passing comment about unemployment rates going up is NOT prophetic given our current economic climate. That's a prediction. No way would anyone even remotely consider him a prophet based on that. <br />Name ONE specific prophecy that has been fulfilled. You can't because you have no verifiable proof and if you put it out there you will have a ton of evidence to the contrary. <br /><br />"2. We know Ron uses tithes to do God's work. "<br /><br />Again, NO YOU DON'T. ROn is accountable only to himself and I know you would be VERY surprised, as with all the PKG members, if you knew the TRUTH of where every penny is spent. You can't handle the truth.<br /><br />"3. We both believe the truth we were given. I would love to know how you came to this conclusion."<br /><br />It is obvious to me that you are still searching for the truth. You haven't made your mind up completely. Observer, on the other hand, is your rand and file Weinlandnazi.<br /><br /><br />"4. We mearly clear up misunderstandings and deny outright lies or false alligations."<br /><br />You haven't cleared up anything, just quickstepped hard allegations. <br /><br />"5. I am trying to create such a blog and believe one exists."<br /><br />Great! You must be very desparate if you are seeking friends on a website which is rabidly anti-Weinland. Maybe you could ask Ron to divert some of his Luau eating, cruise ship sailing, and Down Under trodding green backs to fund a youth group. It won't happen. You know why? Because Ron and Laura are in early retirement and are traveling the globe on the backs of his tithe slaves.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-1100745300159178202009-07-13T19:42:04.173-05:002009-07-13T19:42:04.173-05:00WO
Before you go, I left some links for you on th...WO<br /><br />Before you go, I left some links for you on the last thread. Wanted to know if you've seen them and had a chance to read them?<br />I only put 3 links instead of the 4 I had originally intended... but whatever.<br /><br />Sorry about my typo, too. I was preparing for vacation and that was all I could concentrate on so I put the wrong date there. I'm fallible!xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-72034267051729232932009-07-13T18:22:33.398-05:002009-07-13T18:22:33.398-05:00Seams to me my time here is done. I'm not offe...Seams to me my time here is done. I'm not offended or anything like that, but I can see most people think Observer and I are getting old. This isn't some sort of resignation of posting. I'll be Weinland Observing and blog surfing. Trust me, I have other plans for the summer too.<br />I'll jump in when I think I should and comment on something. Feel free to say hi and ask me anything. I'll be around and I won't hesitate to post.<br />This is basically turning in to an Xcog member reunion forum so I won't spoil the party. No offence to anyone. I'll still be around but will post less. Here is what I will do from hereon out.<br />1. I won't re-answer questions that I have answered once on any given thread.<br />2. I won't comment on little parties here. That's something that is special to some in their little ways and I don't want to interfere in that.<br />3. I will still comment on inquiries to me or any other questions or comments that need answerings. Ex: misunderstandings.<br />4. I honestly think this blog is going to start getting boring without Dill and Observer and that this will only become even more so without me posting much.<br />Keep your ways.<br />Keep your ideas.<br />Live your life.<br />I will do the same and may God continue to work in all who he works in.<br />God help us all.<br />And bring many more to glory.<br />Amen.Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-68940317070889642932009-07-13T18:07:41.554-05:002009-07-13T18:07:41.554-05:00Welcome back t the land of the living, W!
W is he...Welcome back t the land of the living, W!<br /><br />W is here. Purple Hymnal is here. Ekims is here. Shadows is here. Heck, I feel like this is a reunion of sorts!!<br /><br />I just have to join in!Poor Richardhttp://xhwa.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-86234121486652634452009-07-13T17:33:53.737-05:002009-07-13T17:33:53.737-05:00xpkgw: Have you formerly blogged with a shortened...xpkgw: Have you formerly blogged with a shortened version of this handle? On Ironwolf?<br /><br />Based on your handle I'm going to ask:<br />Did you chose your exit or did Ron?<br /><br />Regarding timeline changes, I think Ron will get some more mileage out of this one with a 51st "truth" handed out on the LGD. I don't expect the change to timeline #3 before next year sometime.Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15447267814823944883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-67185855380197755182009-07-13T17:32:59.036-05:002009-07-13T17:32:59.036-05:00Aaargh TIME does fly I mean. LOL no I am not getti...Aaargh TIME does fly I mean. LOL no I am not getting started on the time and times schtick of Witless Weinland. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-55744941248198699892009-07-13T17:30:06.840-05:002009-07-13T17:30:06.840-05:00"I will continue to state what I said last ye...<em>"I will continue to state what I said last year that Ronald Weinland and PKG is not a real place for worship."</em><br /><br />!!w!! It's so good to hear from you, we were worried after you dropped out of sight, last year. Wow, has it already been a year, since we've gone through this back-and-forthing with the believers? Times does fly.<br /><br />I hope things are going well for you and yours! And "w2" as well.<br /><br />Best wishes,<br /><br />Aggie (PH)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-68631252427912587362009-07-13T17:27:30.219-05:002009-07-13T17:27:30.219-05:00WO, I was referring to this post, not the entire b...WO, I was referring to this post, not the entire blog. It's entitled Mockers and <i>Observers</i>.Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-40090783238527227642009-07-13T17:25:13.064-05:002009-07-13T17:25:13.064-05:00K: "As myself and XHWA (I think??) are the on...K: "As myself and XHWA (I think??) are the only X PKG members here"<br /><br />Weeeellllllll, technically I'm not x PKG. I was pre-PKG. When I was, ummmmm, told I was no longer wanted around (because my membership in the corporate organization posed a threat to Ron's removal of the board) it was still "Church of God, Inc." <br /><br />But I am x Ron Weinland!<br /><br />Sorry. Thought I'd clear that up unless someone thought I was with PKG recently.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-86202905494912848082009-07-13T17:07:51.604-05:002009-07-13T17:07:51.604-05:00I will continue to state what I said last year tha...I will continue to state what I said last year that Ronald Weinland and PKG is not a real place for worship. If you want to be a real christian or in a true church of God, PKG is not the place. Ron & Laura do not have the best interests of fence sitters, curious, prospective, newly baptized, semi-new, or well-established members at heart. Ron Weinland and the Church of PKG does not truly care about its people. The church members are semi-friendly, but once a person does not something Ron does not like that is reported by a member you are gone. The people you were close to in the particular church abandon you immediately. This is the rule not the exception. Any church that turns you away quickly is not a real church. You may add this reason on top of all the failed prophecies and Bible verses that have been altered by Weinland. I am sure that the time line will be changed again in 2010 or 2011 or even Jesus Christ return will in 2012 will be spiritualized away.xpkgwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-24798366879183067822009-07-13T16:51:59.492-05:002009-07-13T16:51:59.492-05:00Misfit, First of all, Ron never incouraged this. H...Misfit, First of all, Ron never incouraged this. He never said not too pay taxes, etc. People simply did it out of what they thought. As for the timeline that was given after the 50th truth, it's a lie that it didn't pan out. It didn't fail. Everything Ron said since Dec. 14 has come to pass and will come to pass. Ron himself stated this.<br />there was never a 45-90 day period. It was in the timeline that Ron believed before the perfect timing was given by God through the 50th truth.<br />I already explained about the overspending aspect, Ron repented.Weinland Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-85099187101805849202009-07-13T16:22:54.363-05:002009-07-13T16:22:54.363-05:00Wow - I guess I didn't put my name as I though...Wow - I guess I didn't put my name as I thought I did - my post was deleted. What I said was that I thought it was ironic that Observer stated: "the Bible is clear about what God thinks about people who sin and encourage others to do the same." That's exactly what Ron and Laura did when they urged followers to purchase things on credit plans, take out second mortgages, not pay taxes, etc., because soon there would be no banks, IRS, etc., to make them pay. That's stealing. I'm sure Mike can find the comments related to this. I know that Ron recently stated that he regreted making those purchases because he now has to pay for them since his timeline didn't pan out as he predicted.<br /><br />How do you explain this Observer?Misfitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786503266762545186.post-81271858399646189182009-07-13T15:56:02.935-05:002009-07-13T15:56:02.935-05:00J, I didn't mean this blog was about me and Ob...J, I didn't mean this blog was about me and Observer , but about Weinland. I do think there would be less posts if we weren't on here as there were before we came to this blog. In a way, this particular topic is about all of us as we all fit in to one of the two categories or at least wish to.<br /><br />Purple Hymnal, great article. Unfortunately, the governments themselves do some of these actions. Many seam to preach support for Zionism, hatred of other religions, and the need for Israel to take over the world for Jesus to return. The NWO is real. Masons are satanic. Builderberg and the rest are part of it. I'm still trying to figure out whether they wil be the ones that will fight the 144000 at the final battle. Maybe they wil come together to fight as a world government. I'm not sure but it is possible. On a final note: suicide bombers of all religions, templars, zionists, and others are in the same basket.Weinland observernoreply@blogger.com