Ninetieth Day Take Two

False Prophet Ronald Weinland's sermon from Georgia was a few minutes late getting started due to technical problems. Guess they need to pray harder before setting up their equipment.

The sermon continued with a third of a series taking a break from prophecy and rerunning of his origin of Jesus doctrine that he introduced during the Feast of Tabernacles in 2005. I won't waste any more electrons here describing it.

Yesterday was a milestone date. It was the 90th day into the second 3 & 1/2 year Great Tribulation. During radio shows leading up to first aborted 3 & 1/2 year Great Tribulation that began last April 17, Weinland prophesied "nukular" explosions in US port cities within "45 to 90 days" or by last July 16.

Weinland's evangelist from Australia, Wayne Matthews (who threw down his pitcher by quitting his job a year ago), worked up a revised description of the timeline last summer after Ron reset the timeline. Here is a copy of what he circulated within PKG last summer:

1260 Days = Sunday 14th December 2008
The 3 ½ years of great tribulation starts at the blowing of the 1st Trumpet.
The 2 witnesses are set by God towards all the earth.
Satan and the false prophet begin the process towards the unity of Europe (5th trumpet) under the sway of the Pope - Catholic Church and for the final battle on the day of Christs return (7th trumpet)
2008 was “God’s Final Witness” to man
1st Trumpet: Hail, fire, blood, burning of the grass and one third of trees. The 1st trumpet announces what will happen over the 1st 4 blasts.
The blowing of the 2nd Trumpet will happen between 45 to 90 Days
45 Days = Wednesday 28th January 2009 - 90 Days = Saturday 14th March 2009
2nd Trumpet: One third of sea becomes blood. Nuclear attacks in port cities/USA
3rd Trumpet: One third of fresh water made bitter. Nuclear attacks inland
4th Trumpet: One third of the light darkened. Nuclear winter.
5th Trumpet: First woe – War inspired by Satan – 10 nations of Europe take USA.
6th Trumpet: 2nd Woe – Third of mankind killed by war (Russia and China unite)

23rd May 2012
Wednesday morning, the two witnesses are killed in the streets of Jerusalem 3 ½ days before the return of Jesus Christ (Jerusalem time)

27th May 2012 Sunday Pentecost
7th Trumpet is blown at sunset on the Sabbath of 26th May 2012
The return of Christ and the resurrection of 144,000 - First fruits
It is the time of the 3rd Woe - The Day of the Lord
The 7 last plagues will be poured out on Europe and the united Russia and China.
1st Plague: Sores
2nd Plague: Sea turned to blood
3rd Plague: Fresh water made bitter
4th Plague: Scorching by sun
5th Plague: Darkness and pain
6th Plague: Euphrates dried up
7th Plague: Greatest earthquake ever and hail
The beast and false prophet are destroyed physically
Jesus Christ stands on the Mount of Olives.
Finally the 6000 years of man’s self rule under the sway of Satan comes to an end and Satan and the evil angels are locked away for 1000 years.

If there were any nuclear weapons detonated in US port cities yesterday, the major news organizations are taking quite some time writing their stories.

Weinland learned some lessons from the failure of his first timeline and backed off from detailed prophecies including interim deadlines. In a later version of the timeline description that Wayne circulated in the fall, the 45 to 90 day deadline was removed.

Another of Weinland's vague deadlines relates to Yours Truly. It's now 12 weeks since the Insane Liar cursed me to die speedily from the inside.

Weinland Says We're "In", Part 2

Since Weinland's curse against me did not take effect even though it's now the 12th week since he imposed it on me, I'm able to post the remainder of ex-PKG- member Mike Allen's response to Weinland's blog posting of last Friday. As in Part 1 of this post, Mike's response follows excerpts from Weinland's post.

----------------------- From Mike Allen -----------------------------------

The petitions that went up before God were not for the purpose that the destructive power be lessened (as this cannot be changed), but that the period of time of the actual physical suffering from it will be lessened, and that through this very process more people will potentially be able to be saved.

AGAIN, Ron is thinking so haughtily! Ron wants to think he and his followers are so powerful before God that they can change the decision He made at creation! They are so favorable before God that they can make Him decide to change even though God says about Himself, “I am the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow”.

it also includes an offer of saving many more who were part of the scattering in the Church after the apostasy in 1994 (who otherwise would not have been given such opportunity and blessing).

The haughtiness takes another step! Ron says here that he has the ability to convince God to go ahead and accept those who He wouldn’t normally accept into His Kingdom. Can a thinking person truly believe that a man has control over God’s decisions as to who He will or will not accept into His Kingdom?

Foolishly there are those who are quick to find fault by saying we are wrong or that I am a false prophet since physical destruction did not come at a time I had previously stated. It is easy to see, that without the understanding of “why” some matters of timing have changed, that some would doubt or ridicule what is true. Yet the time for the final 3 1/2 years has not changed at all. We are in it! We are in the countdown before the actual day Jesus Christ returns to this earth as King of kings. There are those who unwittingly and ignorantly seem to wish that destruction was already occurring and that great suffering was already here. But that will come soon enough!

To be honest, I know of no one who was quick to find fault with you Ron. You were not called a false prophet openly and on any kind of recognizable scale until your prophesies did not come true. Well, by God’s own definition of what makes a false prophet, you are a false prophet. If you have a problem with that then take it up with God, not me. He is the one setting the standards here, not I. As to the understanding of why timing has changed, we all have that understanding. I refer you back to my previous statement - God is setting the standards here, not I. God says that if a man prophesies in His name and that does not come to be in the time he says it will be then those were not God’s words. This is why you changed your timing - because it simply was wrong and not from God. The rest this statement of Ron’s deserves no comment.

It’s the economy, stupid!

The quote, “It’s the economy, stupid!” has been repeated much in recent years. When the economy is down, it does get the attention of people. This is the very tool God is now using at the beginning of this 3 1/2 year period that will help begin to humble people and prepare many more for greater humbling once the Second Trumpet has blown.

I have listened to the news religiously since hearing of Ron’s predictions so I could see if these things are happening or not. I have yet to hear or get word of anyone anywhere using the term, “It’s the economy, stupid!” Yes the economy is bad. Yes banks and other institutions are seemingly falling left and right. However, when you listen only to the bad side you come out thinking like Ron Weinland. The fact is that the economy and unemployment is nowhere near what it was during the Great Depression. In fact, I believe now that our unemployment may be (I am going by last figure and being generous on the low side) about 8-9%. Yes that seems bad but during the Great Depression the unemployment rate reached 20%. Remember the scripture I posted earlier?

Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This first phase of destruction is one that hurts people financially and affects every facet of personal life, from food, clothing, housing, transportation, livelihood, etc. It is all encompassing in the daily lives of millions. The collapsing financial system of this world is only the beginning of a humbling process for mankind. This is why there are Seven Thunders that will continue to sound and increase in power and frequency. This is why there are Seven Trumpets to be blown. It takes much to humble the nature of mankind!

This is the first phase of destruction, Ron? How is this? Shouldn’t the first phase be the first and second trumpet? Should you not state these as the first phase? That is what you said in your book which you claim to be God’s inspired word - I’m just wondering. See, according to your God-inspired book, this would actually be the fourth phase. So, I ask, which is it? Should the silent witness correct you on your facts again?

We are witnessing the collapse of the United States, followed by the complete collapse of all governments of mankind. It has already begun. Nothing can change the course of what is happening. The merchants of the earth are beginning to mourn for what they see collapsing before them.

Nothing can change the course of what is happening except that which changed the fact that there was a new President when you said there would not be one. Yes the merchants are mourning at what is collapsing around them - of course they are! They are losing lots of money. This was predicted to happen in 2008, by the way, before you started prophesy hopping.

----------------- End of Mike Allen's analysis --------------------------------

Mike, thanks for sharing your thoughts with my blog. "It's the economy, stupid." was a statement James Carville used when conducting Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign for the presidency. I remember it from then, and I imagine it may have been recalled a few times during last fall's election season. Of course Ron will hammer on the economy, to divert attention from all the other six thunders that are silent. The economy, bad as it is, has nothing to do with Weinland's failed prophecies.

Ron, let's talk about the non-existing increase in all the other thunders since your followers endangered their health several weeks ago in your ridiculous 2-day fast. Let's talk about your ever-sliding and vague prophecies for the second trumpet, and the lack of evidence of the first.

God Gives a Bit More Time. Or Not

In this weekend’s sermon, False Prophet Ronald Weinland continued with his series on the origin of Christ. He took time to address the issue of the mention of “great tribulation” in Matthew 24:21. His explanation is that Matthew 24 refers to the period after Tkach’s apostasy of December 1994 and the breakup of WCG, and not the 3 & 1/2 year not-so-great tribulation we're in right now.

On Friday Weinland was a guest on Cincinnati radio station WLW’s Mike McConnell show (3/6/09 hour 2). During his introduction, McConnell stated that according to Ron we’re in the final 3 ½ years and it has nothing to do with the economy or politics. This statement was soon shown to be false -- with the economy being the only one of Weinland’s many predictions that could be twisted to be true, he spend a good deal of time discussing it.

McConnell referred to Weinland‘s promise in prior interviews to acknowledge being a false prophet and quit preaching. Ron’s response was that God gave us more time. According to Weinland, God didn’t “bump dates” but rather provided further revelation. Ron stated that he can’t admit to being a false prophet. Everything is going to plan.


Weinland said that the economy has already collapsed. Mike pointed out that you can still buy gas to put in your car and go to the mall. Ron responded that it’s a “prophetic collapse”, whatever that is. Hmm. How does a prophetic collapse differs from an actual collapse? Must be the kind that only Ron and his followers can see.

McConnell asked how God's revelations came to Ron. Ron tried to evade the question saying it wasn’t pertinent. Then he said the revelations came from God’s spirit directly into the mind. When asked how we can distinguish his revelations from the different revelations of others who make the same claim, here is his answer: “I guess we’ll have to wait and see if what they say comes to pass, won’t we? That’s the proof of a prophet, whether it comes to pass or not.” There we have it, indicted by his own words as a false prophet.

Ron credited the 2-day fast with delaying the onset of the Great Tribulation to give people more time to repent.

McConnell asked if Ron would come back on at a later time to discuss the economy. “You can call me anytime you want, and I’ll tell you exactly what’s going on in the world at that point”. Ron will listen to CNN that morning and then put his spin on current events, but no stake-in-the-ground prophecies will be provided. Ron learned his lesson during the first failed timeline.

The second trumpet was discussed. Ron said the 45 to 90 day period was out the window, and several times said that it could be “up to a year” later before “nukular“ weapons are exploded in US port cities. At the end of the interview, McConnell asked what was the next event to look for, and Ron said it would be "nukular" weapons going off. McConnell offered up “Within a year” which seemed to offend Ron: “I’m not going to give you a time frame.” McConnell reminded him of his prior statements, and Ron temporized that “ God might give you as much as a year, he might give you a little bit more. It depends on your response.” Mike stated that he was going to do nothing. Ron: “when they happen, they happen. Maybe you‘ll listen then.”

A theological discussion degenerated into a discussion as to whether or not God is a hairsplitter. Ron took this occasion to put down Catholicism.

McConnell asked “What if they’re living God’s way and they’re miserable?” Ron: “Well, that’s their choice.”

At one point during a heated exchange, Weinland let slip his primary doctrine: “Let me finish the statement. Everyone wants to pin me to the wall, without listening to what God has to say.” Ron, while your deluded followers think your words are God's word, no one else does.

At the end of the interview, McConnell gave out Ron’s URL over the air: “endtime2008.com” which redirects to “the-end.com”. Mike asked Ron if he’d given any thought to updating that to “09”, which went over Ron’s head as he didn’t answer.

In his sermon, Weinland claimed to have another revelation as a result of this interview. It seems that now 10% of all 3 of the thirds of both “the scattering” of WCG, and also that of “modern day Israel” will be saved from the Great Tribulation. He stated this in a confusing manner, and then followed up that people might not accept it. Then he repeated a point that God knows people’s minds and how they’ll react. But if they don’t react the right way the 2nd trumpet could be much sooner than a year. His statements are very confusing and contradictory. To get the full impact you’ll have to download the sermon and listen yourself. It’s about the last 10 minutes of the sermon.

Weinland posted a link to a YouTube video in which someone spliced Ron's blather about UFOs over some stock footage of war games. Weinland suggested that the members go there to rate up the video. A number of them have joined YouTube just to do that. There's a peer rating war going on in the comment area with a former prospective member who saw the light leaving comments which are promptly down-rated while the PKG members rate each other's comments up.

It's now 78 days since Weinland cursed me to die from the inside speedily. And only 6 more days of the 90-day period for the second trumpet (second time around). Citizen X has a blog post holding Weinland to this, we'll see whether or not he really will declare him to be a false prophet or give him another pass as he did when the first timeline failed.

Weinland Says We're "In"

It had been several months since False Prophet Ronald Weinland posted anything on his blog website. But early Friday morning he put something up.

Recently exited COG-PKG member Mike Allen has taken time to provide his analysis. So I'm turning the remainder of the post over to Mike. He quotes Weinland and then responds.

------------------------------- From Mike Allen ---------------------------------

The petitions that went up before God were not for the purpose that the destructive power be lessened (as this cannot be changed), but that the period of time of the actual physical suffering from it will be lessened, and that through this very process more people will potentially be able to be saved (who can indeed live on into the millennial period that is rapidly approaching). This not only includes the possibility of many more people of different nations being saved, but it also includes an offer of saving many more who were part of the scattering in the Church after the apostasy in 1994 (who otherwise would not have been given such opportunity and blessing).


Ron is saying here now the opposite of what he originally taught by saying that God will now save more people than what He himself stated in His word, the Bible.

The prophetic destruction manifested in 9/11 was followed by a temporary shut down of Wall Street and the plunging of the Dow. It truly takes a lot to humble people, for how soon we all forget. People were shocked and horrified by those events that shook the economic world. Before 9/11 the Dow had been fluctuating between the 10,000 and 11,000 level.

Though there is no argument that the economy is in trouble, Ron is using here the same wording for what happened for what he calls the sixth seal as he did for the seventh seal where nothing happened! He said that the world will be shocked and horrified on the day that the seventh seal is opened - nothing happened on that day and no one was shocked or horrified! Now he is saying that people were shocked and horrified when the sixth seal was opened. The world was indeed shocked and horrified on 9/11 but it doesn't mean that it was the opening of the sixth seal. Perhaps it was only the first seal - or perhaps it was just a horrible occurence!

Much of the world of traditional Christianity, and even God’s Church, have long believed that this final time would begin with great destructive events that would immediately lead to the death of tens of thousands of people and then continue to escalate throughout the final 3 1/2 years. This period of time has often been referred to as “the great tribulation,” although the Bible makes no such statement regarding this final 3 1/2 years.

Ron, people believe that the Great Tribulation will immediately lead to the death of many people for two reasons. One is that the Bible says specifically what will happen at the opening of the seventh seal in Revelation 8. Therefore their thinking is well founded! Moreover, this period of time HAS been referred to as “the great tribulation” and the bible DOES make a statement about this 3.5 years. It just doesn’t say 3.5 years and “great tribulation” in the same scripture. However, if you want to play a semantics game with God’s Word - it’s your funeral, not mine! Here is what Jesus said about the 3.5 years coming at the end of this age.

Matthew 24:20-22 (King James Version)
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Notice how Jesus said that this time will be like NO OTHER TIME IN THE WORLD’S HISTORY?

In regards to the days being shortened in verse 22, even Ron has said in previous sermons this means that it will not be allowed to continue past the point of total destruction. He now makes it sound as if this means that God is cutting shorter the 1,260 days of tribulation into a more suitable number for the sake of those who fasted on January 31st and February 1st.

The reality is that the Seventh Seal of Revelation was opened on November 14, 2008, and then 30 days later the First Trumpet sounded. This trumpet is prophetic in nature, yet it will also prove to be very physical in its complete fulfillment. It is prophetic in that it reveals the kind of literal, physical destructiveness that will follow in the fulfillment of the six trumpets that are yet to sound.

Ron, you have already gone against your own word on this two fold. The first time was when you failed to keep your promise of going back on the radio shows to admit being a false prophet when your timeline didn’t work out. The second time was when you changed your prophesy - you first said that all that is said in Revelation 8 regarding the third of the trees and all the green grass means just what it says though it only meant in the area of attack. Now you say it is some foolish spiritual meaning which no one can make sense of unless they have it from God. Ron, we already have it from God! It is called the Bible!

We now find ourselves three months into that final 3 1/2 year period of time, but thank God that these massive powers of end-time destruction have not yet been unleashed. The kind of suffering that will finally come to pass is horrific beyond comprehension. God is being merciful by temporarily holding back the day when the Second Trumpet sounds and massive physical destruction begins. As always, it needs to be understood that God is not bringing that destruction upon mankind, but mankind is bringing it upon himself (it will be caused by man). God is now holding back that time of massive physical destruction by not allowing man to start this process for a few more months.

Now this one baffles me a little - even coming from Ron. Ron says, “Thank God that these massive powers of end-time destruction have not yet been unleashed”. While I do thank God that these things have not been unleashed, the fact that they are not unleashed proves we are not where Ron says we are! God already stipulated at the printing of the Bible (most likely at the founding of the world) what things would happen at EXACTLY what time. So are you telling me, Ron, that God is a whimsical God who can willy-nilly change things set for thousands of years just because a couple hundred people go without food? HOGWASH!!!

This is all the result of God’s will and His purpose that is being worked out for this world, and although God has granted to offer mercy to more people in this end-time by bringing more to humility, the choice of repentance is still in the hands of those whom God humbles and grants mercy.

See, this goes right along with my previous statement. God did establish just how many He would pull through this Tribulation time at least from the writing of the Bible. If one believes this is true, how could the same thinking person believe that God is going to suddenly change the amount of people who he will allow to survive? Also, how can anyone know what God has granted mercy for until after the fact? If anyone can, it certainly would not be a man who’s prophesies have been wrong 100% of the time!

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I expect to post more of Mike Allen's response later. That is unless Ron's curse on me finally takes effect and I die from the inside speedily.

Weinland on the Radio

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was back on Cincinnati radio station 700 WLW today. I've had a chance to listen to Mike McConnell interview him for the fourth time. But I do not have time this evening to comment further on it. Despite what the Insane Liar claims, I do have a life.

The interview is available on the radio station's website. Go to this web page and then download the MP3 file for 3/6/09 Hour 2.

Weinland also put up a post last night on his blog website. Pretty much more of the same.

Ron's Total Resolve

In his Oct 4, 2007 Last Great Day sermon entitled "Total Resolve", False Prophet Ronald Weinland exhorted his members to show Total Resolve. He demanded that the members send in their second tithe to finance his book promotion since there wouldn't be an organized Feast of Tabernacles in 2008 as a consequence of the Great Tribulation. (Ron said the same thing about the 2009 FoT during the organized 2008 FoT, but planning is underway for yet another Feast this fall.)

Near the end of the "Total Resolve" sermon, he exhorted his followers:
Brethren, please, please, please understand that now we’re to pour everything we can into what we’re doing. And that’s between now [Oct, 2007] and January [2008]. Think about your life. Think about what you’re doing.

A week later, on October 11, 2007, he posted the following on his blog:

This new post is being made over my new satellite system with Inmarsat. After the Feast of Tabernacles was concluded on Oct. 4, the following Sunday my wife and I flew to Istanbul, Turkey, where we boarded a cruise ship to begin our cruise that we announced during the Feast.

Yesterday we were in Izmir, Turkey, that is the location of ancient Smyrna, which the apostle John wrote about in Revelation in the message to the seven churches (church eras). We took a tour that took us about an hour drive north of Ismir to the old city of Pergamum (another of the seven churches). The ruins of these ancient cities is quite profound when you consider they had no modern equipment to build the kinds of structures, that are even a marvel to modern day engineers and builders. Both John and Paul had been in these places and it was rather a strange feeling to walk in some of the same areas (now in ruins) that were so majestic in their day.

Today we are in port at Athens, Greece, and we will have the opportunity to visit the ancient city of Corinth.

On Oct 20, 2007 he posted an update on his trip, letting his followers know that he hadn't fallen overboard:

Today we are spending the Sabbath in Barcelona, Spain. We will be staying here until Monday morning when we will fly back to the U.S. The internet service on the ship was at a snails pace so I was not able to do much on the internet as I had hoped to make some postings to this site while we were traveling. The last I was able to make a post was in Athens since I was using my new satellite system, but after Athens I couldn’t us it any longer. I was on the wrong side of the ship from that time on since our side only faced to the north and the satellites were in the south. So much for technology, but obviously if I was on land there would not have been a problem.

This cruise was likely the 12-day Classic Mediterranean Cruise on NCL's Norwegian Jewel. The Norwegian Cruise Line still offers this cruise itinerary on a different vessel which includes the following ports of call: Istanbul; Ephesus (Izmir); Athens (Piraeus); Dubrovnik; Venice; Naples; Rome (Civitavecchia); Barcelona. The 2009 price of the cruise depends on the cabin type with prices ranging up from $1149 per person for an ocean view cabin with a porthole. But a porthole probably would not have allowed Ron to play with his satellite phone. A room with a balcony more conducive to satellite phoning is $1619 per person and a suite is $1799 per person. A check of airfare from Cincinnati to Istanbul shows the 2009 price to be about $800 per person. These are 2009 prices but I expect that the 2007 prices would have been similar. This vacation for both Ron and Laura together with two nights in a hotel room in Barcelona probably cost over $5000 after adding in other incidentals such as transfers to the cruise ship, drinks, taxis, tours($59 per person for Pergamon), and other miscellaneous expenses. But let's say that he managed to get discounts and the vacation was only $4000.

Ron gave an explanation for the purpose of this cruise:
With the heavy schedule of traveling during the summer and then the daily pace at the Feast of Tabernacles, Laura and I were both very drained afterward. Each year the Feast season has been this way with the kind of schedule we have, and that is the reason we try to take a couple of weeks off after the Feast. This year was by far the most draining so this trip is proving to be very rejuvenating to us.

Let's review. Ron and Laura needed to spend thousands of dollars to recover from the stresses of traveling by traveling yet more. They couldn't have possibly have rejuvenated from these stresses by hanging out in their $381,000 mansion on a country club golf course for a couple of weeks. Makes total sense -- as do all things about Weinland. Total Sense about Ron's Total Resolve. It's Totally Amazing that COG-PKG members agree with the sense of entitlement that Ron feels -- after all he and Laura are the two witnesses.

Just as it's totally amazing that it's now the 11th week since Ron cursed me to speedily die from the inside, but I'm still here pointing out his contradictions.