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Wednesday, June 24, 2009

Does Anybody Really Know What Day It Is?

In the comment section of my previous post, there was been some controversy concerning which of the speakers at ideaCity following False Prophet Ronald Weinland's presentation was the one to whom he reacted. A couple of Weinland's followers have been participating in that discussion. A misunderstanding I had was clarified: while Tom Harpur followed Ron immediately and Ron objected to what Harpur had to say, it was the presentation of Rick Miller which truly offended Weinland to the point that he left the conference early to return to the safe company of his deluded followers, giving up his opportunity to proselyte further and "help" yet others.

(Timestamps are according to the initial version of the sermon downloadable this week which includes the announcements.) Update: turns out that the initial version on the church website was not the initial version after all, but had been edited to remove embarrassing parts as explained in the following post. I've updated the link here to point to a copy of the actual initial version.

Ronald Weinland stated in his sermon last Saturday (15 minutes and 10 seconds into the file) that he gave his presentation at ideaCity the Thursday prior, (June 18th). Then at 16 minutes and 20 seconds he made the point that seven days earlier than that was the Thursday which he give interviews (Thursday, June 11) and also was at the end of "Half a Time". With December 14, 2008 being day 1 of the Great Tribulation, Thursday, June 11th was the 180th day or "Half a Time". And Thursday, June 18th was 7 days later or day 187.

I thought that Ron had said the prior Saturday (June 13) that his presentation was to be given on Wednesday. According to the Agenda page on the ideaCity website, the presentation schedule was:


Day 1 - Wednesday June 17th

Session 1 - 8:30am-10:45am
GREAT POWERS
Jacob Abrahamse
Powers of Ten + Marcel Danesi
Mark Showalter
Barth Netterfield
David Ben

Session 2 - 11:35am-1:35pm
SPIRITUALITY, Sponsored by SVOX
Ronald Weinland
Tom Harpur
John
Geiger
Richard MacDonald
Rick Miller

LUNCH BREAK

I wondered about the discrepancy between what Ron said last Saturday was the day of the presentation (Thursday) Vs the Agenda (Wednesday). "Observer" thought it wasn't important. "Weinland Observer" thought there might be prophetic significance in the number 7.


Has anyone considered the fact that based on Weinland's description of the significance of him speaking at Idea City seven days after the first half a time (which is 180 days) that maybe the witnesses wil do something significant every seven days after a half a time with the exception of the seventh half time in which it would occur a little earlier with death and reserection? Don't be surprized if something Weinland-significant happens on Dec. 16, 2009! Also, I wonder whether Ron will have something to say about the guesses i have been posting and say something about the fact that "When the time is right, God gives."


I decided to look for some information to resolve this discrepancy as to which day he gave his presentation. I found it on Twitter. Here are a few tweets that I found from several twitterers:


Magician David Ben "improvisation requires technique" from TwitterBerry

We're at ideaCity. First up -- space exploration! Next up -- religion. Later we'll see Preston Manning and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from web

ronald weinlnd at #ideacity09 is a nutjob from mobile web

ronald weinland at #ideacity09 is a nutjob. crazy buzzkill. from mobile web

world ends on may 27, 2012. cancel your reservations. from mobile web

ideaCity deep in religious talks. thinking about C8 and the spring series victory. #VORg C8 not so much. http://yfrog.com/2flq0j from Tweetie

'End-time prophet' Ronald Weinland says nuclear war, billions die, God takes over on May 27, 2012. Ouch. from Tweetie

Pagan Christ expert Tom Harper counters 'God doesn't write books. Fallible human beings do.' Ha. We can live. from Tweetie

Tom Harpur at IdeaCity- "religion is mythology misunderstood". from TwitterBerry

rick miller at #ideacity09 made an awesome jesus! from mobile web

I'm attribute the 2-3 hour discrepancy between the tweet timestamps and the Agenda times as resulting from the fact that I'm not a "twitterer" and Twitter defaulted me to a time zone further west since I wasn't logged in. And possibly the presentations didn't go off at the exact scheduled time. But note the day on the tweets: Ronald Weinland gave his talk on Wednesday, June 17th. It was not delivered on Thursday, June 18th, 7 days after the end of "Half a Time". It was delivered 6 days later. Not the number of God (7), but the number of man(6).

Weinland's multiple statements: "Thursday" (repeated the word "Thursday") and "seven days earlier" and "end of half-a-time" are more than a simple mistatement. I just want to know whether Weinland is really that confused as to what day of the week he gave his presentation. Or if he had some prophetic motive. And I'm willing to consider either possibility, because:


  • Ron thinks he's one of the Two Witnesses. And that his wife is the other.
  • Ron didn't keep his word to stop preaching when his prophecies did not materialize, and he broke his promises that he would not revise his prophecies when they failed

So "Weinland Observer", if you want creds from your spiritual idol, make a neat YouTube video in his honor. Or better yet, make a flexible calendar that moves days around so that it can be any prophetic number of days between two events -- Ron would really, really like that. And he really, really has great need of one. Who knows, maybe he would make you the other witness. But as far as your guesses, I think that what he'll say is "Stop entertaining demons."

32 comments:

Whisper said...

A flexible calander, what a great idea! Are we talking sticky backed tabs that have dates on them that can be moved around at will or some type of intricatly cut page where dates can move as the whole page shifts?

This is truely worthy as a Christmas gift to Mr. W as Ron can do away with any nagging logic in the back of his mind on dates etc... as they can be moved at will.

Of course Ron has already done this mentally, ad nausium, with 2 timelines (long ones at that) that both did not pan out (had to organize a fast to give the 2nd one a extra fuel tank...). Hey, I'm gonna try it: I will organize a fast this Friday with my family so that God may put off my mortgage payment next month. I'll just tell the mortgage company that God has put off the mortgage companies timeline of payments and that the explanation is "spiritual" and ergo no concrete explanations are needed.
Hey, I'm gonna have a lot more money available next month due to Gods grace (and my families fast) due to the lack of a mortgage!

Maybe I can donate the proceeds to the COG-PKG... Heaven forbid!

:-)

Weinland Observer said...

Ron will probably clear the presentation date up next sermon. He seams to read these blogs regularly as he often addresses a criticism or misunderstanding on the weekly sermon after it is posted. In any case, if Weinland spoke on Wednesday the 7 days after 1/7 theory Weinland announced goes out the window. In any case, the flexible calendar idea is not needed. Proof or disproof comes easily. According to cog man has 6000 years of self rule and this would end 6000 years after when according to the bible Adam was created. This would support or unconfirm bible infalability as it is what the book teaches.

Dill Weed said...

Maybe, Ron will clarify in his next sermom. Perhaps, he has planned 'the significance of 7' as the basis for another 'prophecy'.

I say, whatever!, let him prophecy on the significance of 7 or on the number of towels in his hotel room.

The more he prophecys, the more prophecies there are to fail. The more evidence that he is a false prophet. So..

Prophecy, Ron, prophecy!!!

That's what a prophet is supposed to do.

I have to say, Ron does not prophecy enough.

But, that's just me. : P

Dill Weed

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

I want to make one thing clear. Criticizing simple misstatements by the False Prophet is not one of the tactics I use. In fact, when I transcribe some of his statements I try to be as accurate as I can, but at the same time I leave out false starts and filler words that would look awkward in print.

If Ron had said once that it was on Thursday and later said that it was on Wednesday, I wouldn't make such a big deal about it. But these were multiple cross referenced statements reference to a significant event that happened just a few days earlier, and there should not have been any discrepancies about which day of the week this happened.

I expect that if Ron responds at all it will be that I'm nit picking.

Weinland Observer said...

Mike, realize that the date Weinland presented on is very significant and not just a minor point and that you do well to try and discover the date. Last sermon when he said that he spoke 7 days after the first 180 days of the Tribulation and that this was what God had done to work with him and that he realized this a week ago, it would mean that he gave a false description of how God was working with him. As Weinland would say if someone else was preddicting by using false dates of events intentionally or unintentionally and hopefully for himself as well, "This is not a small thing before God." Time cycles were important to Herbert W Armstrong with his opportunities in preaching the Gospel increasing every 19 years to the date and Weinland describes the same thing in the Prophesied End Time where he states that God revealed to him the opening of the seals exactly 1900 years after the book had been written. Ron described the date of his speech at Idea city as another way he realized God was working with him because of the timing 7 days from the first half as Weinland stated in his sermon Mike, and not something I simply thought up. Although I do admit, the time, times, and half a time was something I think I figured out through what hints Weinland gave in the past but nevertheless something I have personally stated my oppinion on.

Tom said...

Everyone pull out your calendars!
December 14, 2008 - January 11, 2009 = 180 days

Remember the start of the tribulation started on the eve of December 13 and June 11, would be the end of half-a-times or (180 days).

If you count backwards 7 days, starting with the Wednesday the 17th of June you will get Thursday, June 11th. I guess Weinland has his significant 7 and it most assuredly depends on the count.

Let Weinland have all of the significant numbers that he desires in order to fill his deluded mind - enjoy Ronnie!

Tom said...

Heres the corrected version, even I can goof up dates.

Everyone pull out your calendars!
December 14, 2008 - June 11, 2009 = 180 days

Remember the start of the tribulation started on the eve of December 13 and June 11, would be the end of half-a-times or (180 days).

If you count backwards 7 days, starting with the Wednesday the 17th of June you will get Thursday, June 11th. I guess Weinland has his significant 7 and it most assuredly depends on the count.

Tom said...

"Time cycles were important to Herbert W Armstrong with his opportunities in preaching the Gospel increasing every 19 years to the date and Weinland describes the same thing in the Prophesied End Time where he states that God revealed to him the opening of the seals exactly 1900 years after the book had been written."

Weinland Observer please verify that this is true. Do not just accept HWA word or Ron's word that this is true, but provide some documentation that these dates are accurate and that Weinland's books were written after 1900 years after what book was written. Who is the author of this book? What was his last name? Where did he write the book? Who assisted him in writing/editing the book? Did the author leave a date, so others could easily add up the numbers in order to come up with 1900 years? Scholars who give us an approximate date of this book is not true and accurate. Is there any guessing involved in discovering the truth? Good luck, Weinland Observer.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

I have found Excel spreadsheets to be quite handy when it comes to tracking Weinland's date changing. Excel will add a given number of days to one date and give you the calculated date, or calculate the number of dates between two dates.

Tom said...

Weinland Observer,

Do not just subtract 1900 years from December 17, 1994 when the 1st seal was opened according to Ron. If you can verify that the "book" was written in 94 a.d., as Weinland would lead you to believe, then what was the month and day it was finished. Verification please!

Tom said...

"According to cog man has 6000 years of self rule and this would end 6000 years after when according to the bible Adam was created. This would support or unconfirm bible infalability as it is what the book teaches."

Weinland Observer,

Proof please. Please verify scripture and verse that man only has been living on this earth of 6000 years. I would like the name of the scripture and verse that states man has 6000 years of self rule and 1000 years of God's rule. Creation verses do not count. The verse that says "a day to God is a thousand years," does not count either. Are you comparing verses and "guessing." I need verification and facts.

Good luck, Weinland Observer!!

Observer said...

I have listened to last Saturday's sermon 3 times through and parts of it several more times and I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone could think that Ron was making any significance out of the day he spoke at Idea City. The day of the interview was important, marking the beginning of the second half time but anything else is simply conjecture at best. This said, I heard Ron refer to 3 specific times:
1. At 2:25 "the past Tuesday" -referring the day they flew to Toronto
2. At 58:27 "a little over a week ago Thursday" - referring to the day of the interview (June 11th)
3. At 60:58 "after the second session started" - referring to when Ron spoke and since there were two sessions in the morning and two in the afternoon of each day, the second session would have happened after the midmorning break on Wednesday. I did not hear Ron say that he spoke on Thursday even though I played the section that you referred to several times.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on what Weinland Observer has said and not been careful enough to stick to the facts. In referring to how God had prepared things perfectly for his talk, Ron was talking about the fact that the speakers that had gone before him had spoken on topics that naturally led into what he was going to speak about.
If it will make Weinland Observer any happier though, I will point out that if the Thursday that Ron did the interviews was the first day of the second half time, it would be Wednesday, not Thursday, that would be the 7th day. However, I think that it is only WO, and no one else, that has claimed that this is significant.

Purple Hymnal said...

"Last sermon when he said that he spoke 7 days after the first 180 days of the Tribulation"

But he didn't. Because the Tribulation (only not so "Great") began on April 17, 2008.

"As Weinland would say if someone else was preddicting by using false dates of events intentionally or unintentionally and hopefully for himself as well, "This is not a small thing before God."

Funny, that wasn't the tune he was singing on April 26, 2008.

Remember folks, you can use the links at the bottom of each post I am linking above, the words in bold just above the comments sections, to navigate through the archived WW site.

Interesting to compare, the swan songs Weinland sang last year, and the ones he's singing this year. Of course, everyone will be pointing back to Mike's blog next year, when he starts changing things up for 2010.

I wonder which one of us critics who were supposed to "speedily die slowly from the inside out" after April 19, 2008 will take up the baton for that year?

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

"Observer", I believe you when you say you didn't hear Ron say that when you listened to the sermon again.

Check out my next post for an explanation.

Weinland Observer said...

Tom, to answer your questions. According to the wikipedia article on the book of Revelation,
According to early tradition, the writing of this book took place near the very end of Domitian's reign, around 95 or 96. Others contend for an earlier date, 68 or 69, in the reign of Nero or shortly thereafter.[16] The majority of modern scholars also use these dates.

I don't know whether it is the modern or unmodern scollars are correct. I know that most churches tend to believe and teach that bible books were written much earlier than they truly were. Mostly, it is safe to assume that bible books were written later than when churches claim were as much of their reasoning has been created to protect the religious innovation as truth. I say honestly that I could never and never except the bible as enfalabel until reading Mystery Of the Ages and other material on biblical-truth.com which is one of Weinland's websites. Concepts such as British Israelism prove the bible along with other facts in the following article http://hwacompendium.com/BA/TBSA.HTM
If the book of Revelation was written around 95 or 96, it could have been written i n 1997 when Ronald Weinland states having been given truths on the seven seals and how they had started opening, the first few being spiritual for the church. Nowhere does "Weinland state the book of Revelation was written in 94 AD. The book was written by someone named John but not much more can be varified. I have done research Tom, so what more do you expect.
Also, the scriptures of man's 6000 years of self rule are the very ones you have told me you reject as the ones proving this. I can not prove how long man has been on earth but it is possible to know how long the Bible claims man has been on earth since it records every generation from Adam to Jesus Christ and states how long individuals lived. I am not a young earth creationist and have always found it to be amusing. I have always read up on old earth creationists like Harun Yahya as opposed to ones such as Kent Hovand. Lastly, if for some reason I misinterperated what I heard about Weinland stating the significance of 7 days after first 1/7 idea I appologize. I make mistakes and admit them and Weinland is no exception. As you have hopefully read on my second post here I have toggled to and from believing in Weinland and I'm still living life. What I have learned from Weinland brings self-discovery and repentence to my life. The goals are there, future plans are there, human nature is being worked on as I wish to change it. I don't stop living because I believe this is the Tribulation era. All this means is that my life may change at some point in time and that I can hope to be living in a better world in the future. Mr Armstrong wrote much including a great article I recommend which is also on the hwacompendium.com website. It is the seven Steps to Sucess http://hwacompendium.com/BA/SUCCESS.HTM
Put God aside if you need to or wish to or at least what the article states about him, follow the first six steps, and you will be successful in life. As a final non-related thought, British Israelism as Armstrong taught it is not racist. Zionism, the product of traditional Christianity propaganda under the guise of preparing for the end time is. P.S. I find this site a good Weinland news outlet/place to have constructive conversation with those that either agree and mostly do not agree with what I know. One day you might remember my words and learn from them. I have learned from this site as well. Regardless of what comes of Weinland, my life has been enriched with what I have learned through WCG/Cog-pkg material. Peace and improvement in life to all.
Weinland observer

Tom said...

"Nowhere does "Weinland state the book of Revelation was written in 94 AD. The book was written by someone named John but not much more can be varified."

Weinland Observer,

He didn't have to say the words - you just have to calculate the math.

WO commented, "Time cycles were important to Herbert W Armstrong with his opportunities in preaching the Gospel increasing every 19 years to the date and Weinland describes the same thing in the Prophesied End Time where he states that God revealed to him the opening of the seals exactly 1900 years after the book had been written."

What was the first seal?
When did it occur, what date?
It was spiritual?

Subtract 1900 years from the date of the opening of the 1st seal. What date do you get?

Weinland does have some hidden messages. He doesn't like too many people to put the puzzle together, that is why he will go back and edit his errors intentionally, especially if he needs some damage control.

So you are unsure about the date in which the book of Revelation was written. So am I. Weinland isn't - he claims he has the answer to that question. There is no verifiable information in order to confirm or deny when this book was written other than accepting Ron's word for when it was written. A leap of faith! Are you willing to take that leap?

Self improvement is good and the love of learning has always been a life-long goal of mine, and it appears to be a goal of yours. But we all make choices and there are some choices that are better than others. These choices have an effect on our life. In Weinland's case and for some of those who have chosen to follow him, they have been misguided and have given significant amounts of money from retirement savings, because they believe they don't need it. Some have cashed out the equity in their mortgages and sent it in to Weinland. Others have depleted their savings accounts and maxed out credit cards in order to fund Weinland Enterprises.
Weinland through "words" in his sermons have convinced many that the end is near and he sent a message of urgency that our economic system is on the verge of collapsing, and will be completely destroyed by the end of 2008. Didn't happen and many of those same followers still believe in Weinland's ideas. Where is the accountability? Where is Weinland's conscious and concern for his people? How could he have accepted such huge amounts of money without questioning from his members?

Some people accept stated information as "truth", but fail to verify whether the statement is truth, fiction or non-verifiable. If a statement is non-verifiable, then it cannot be assumed to be the truth.

For example in your post you argue that Weinland has knowledge of significant dates such as the 1st seal being opened exactly 1900 years from the writing of the book of Revelations. This is non-verifiable, but you use this premise to support that Weinland has another significant date being that he was able to speak to non-believers exactly 7 days after the end of half-a-time or 180 days.

I hope your belief in Weinland is based on more solid ground than accepting Weinland's theories of when seals are opened or God has a plan of 7000 years for mankind, which cannot be verified with any certainty.

I know some would like Christ to return, and most desire a creator that loves us and would like us humans to become part of his God family. It's a nice story - I hope you find the answers that you are seeking.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

I might be allowing a bit more theological discussion than I might otherwise, 'cause I'm in a good mood. In fact I'll join in for a bit.

Is there any biblical basis for this 19-year time cycle thing? And if so, is it somehow prophetic? Or is it just one of Herman Hoeh's inventions, like HWA being an apostle?

I imagine the historical records are vague as to exactly which year Revelation was written. Which means that if Weinland wants to claim it was 1900 years before the "first seal was opened", then no data to say that's not correct. But if it is --- so what?

Tom said...

"Is there any biblical basis for this 19-year time cycle thing? And if so, is it somehow prophetic? Or is it just one of Herman Hoeh's inventions, like HWA being an apostle?"

I have found very little to support this 19 year time cycle. Herb used this theory in calculating the "Prophecy of 1975."

Weinland latched onto this theory and it probably became the bases for his book and the timing of his end-time events.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

This coming January is two 19-year-time-cycles after the end of HWA's two cycles. Maybe that's what the special Last Great Day sermon is going to be about.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

"Weinland Observer"

You did not "mis-hear" what Weinland said. Ronnie decided he didn't want to say what he said after all, so he edited his sermon after the fact.

Read my "Rose Mary" post for the details.

I'm interested in your reactions, and whether you heard what you thought you did (and indeed did hear)live or if you have the downloaded sermon.

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Tom said...

Well, I was thinking about the prophetic impact of HWA's and Weinland's 19 year time cycle and if December 17, 1994 was the end of 100, 19 year time cycles, like Weinland has expressed in his book, then he has been preparing and planning this crusade for a long time.

In the Matt 24:22, it states, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

So, when Weinland accepted that December 17, 1994 was the opening of the 1st seal of Revelation, he then concluded without verification that it must represent the end of 100, 19 year time cycles or 1900 years since the book of Revelation was written.

So, Weinland started to believe that he was one of God's end-time witnesses, and/or prophet and conjured up the idea that God must have only 1 more 19 year time cycle prior to his return (again not verifiable), which of course would be cut short as written in Matt 24:22.

A full 19 year time cycle from December 17, 1994 (the opening of the 1st seal) would end on December 17, 2013. So, Weinland had some time to goof around with dates and "guess" at the timing of the return of Christ. Even with Weinland's changed dates, the latest of which is Pentecost, May 27, 2012, still falls short of Weinland's last 19 year time cycle, but again Weinland reasons that this time cycle should be cut short according to Matt 24:22.

Weinlnad Observer said...

Tom, you seam to have figured it out. I haven't listened to all the sermons so it is hard to varify completely, but there were times when Ron said he would expect something to start in 2008, exactly 7 years after 9/11 which he stated was the opening of the 6th seal. Only in 2008 when truth 50 was revealed, that the original angel who sinned would be punished in the same way as the man of sin, being judged 280 days after Christmas, which marked the trumpet and declaring of the kingdom and Pentecost 1335 days later. Weinland states such a pattern of trumpets 280 days after Christmas and Pentecost 1335 days later doesn't happen anytime in the next 100 years. So this is how the timeline was discovered and confirmed. It can not change!

Tom said...

"Weinland states such a pattern of trumpets 280 days after Christmas and Pentecost 1335 days later doesn't happen anytime in the next 100 years. So this is how the timeline was discovered and confirmed. It cannot change!"

The first seal was opened when Joe Tkach. Sr., announce to the members of the WCG that keeping the Sabbath on Saturday was no longer required. Weinland claimed that the death of Tkach was significant because he died on the Sabbath, exactly 40 Sabbaths later.

Weinland claimed Tkach was the man of sin. Later, during his 1st timeline, when nothing was happening, Weinland took out his calendar and started calculating dates. He calculated the number of days between Christmas 2007 and Trumpets 2008 and discovered that there was exactly 280 days or 40 weeks. Thus making the assumption that the originator of sin (Satan) was being (mocked) by God and there was some connection between the opening of the 1st seal with Tkach and the timing of his death (40 weeks or 280 days) and that the pending judgment of Satan is coming. "The Feast of Trumpets" signifying an announcement of this future event.

You stated that "So this is how the timeline was discovered and confirmed. It can not change!"

Just because you have too similar events, and it appears to be more than a coincidence, that they are related does not necessarily suggest that the two events are related. It is only an assumption, and how can one verify that the 2 events are indeed related. These events were discovered by Weinland and confirmed by Weinland, later after Weinland spoke about the significance of these events; his followers accepted these events as “truth,” yet, without any type of verification. Could Weinland be wrong about the significance of these 2 similar events? Has God given him insight and the truth on these matters? Or, did he coincidently come upon 2 events that have a similar number of days which may or may not be related. Ron has been wrong before and he has claimed that his work and the words that he speaks are inspired by God. Could Ron be wrong, yet again? Time will give us the answer. Don’t ever say that the 2nd timeline can’t be changed or modified, because Weinland is in control of the goal post, and when he speaks – he expects his followers to listen without questioning.

Weinland Observer said...

Tom, you have a clear understanding of the timeline. It is not true that Weinland expects belief without question. He often says that he follows God. Howevere also says that it as individual responsibility to find where God is working if he isn't with cog-pkg. You are in a unique position. Unlike many, you understand Weinland although you don't believe him. This may help you be drawn in the future. If you wish after seeing proof you could easily switch from knowing the knollege to believing and acting upon it. When and if you start you can follow cog-pkg FAQ steps. If not, continue seeking knolege and learning in your current method as you stated you do in a previous post . No matter what you do and don't do you can ask me questions, which I will respond to whether inquisitive or not. Feel free to talk to me about whatever you wish. I am open and you seam to be as well.

todd said...

weinland observer,
how do you explain 1 john 2:26-27 "These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. but the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

this tells me, that the anointing of Christ is in me and I don't need RW or anyone else to teach me as long as I remain in Him.

The only truth is found in God's word. I highly recommend you check RW's teachings against THE TRUTH which is God's Word.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

Gotta disagree with you there Weinland Observer. Ron expects you to follow him. A number of times he has given the example of HWA's switch of Pentecost from Monday to Sunday, saying that it would have been sinning to have observed Pentecost on Sunday before God's Apostle declared it to be so.

On June 21 of last year when Ron announced the failure of his first timeline, he referred to this (listen beginning about 33 minutes into the file). Someone who would have changed Pentecost observance from Monday to Sunday on their own ahead of HWA would have been presumptuous.

Weinland attributes such authority to HWA, then claims the mantle has passed to him. And what proof does he offer? That it happens to be a certain number of days between this event and that event.

He tried to do that last Saturday when he said:
"And all of this is significant as God does things in a very orderly manner. It's no coincidence that even seven days later I gave the kind of speech that God had me deliver. God is indeed setting the stage for far greater things to follow."

But then he realized he'd gotten it wrong and had to delete the sentence bolded above.

The fact that he was confused about the day of the week is even less significant than the way he tried to spin it, as somehow being biblical and prophetic. And don't think that you're the only one who got that message during the live delivery. Wonder if they'll realize it was based on an incorrect foundation.

James said...

The following sentence from Weinland's sermon demonstrates an attitude of pride and arrogance which is not of the spirit of God.

"It's no coincidence that even seven days later I gave the kind of speech that God had me deliver."

Weinland thinks very highly of himself and has lost focus of his mission. It is demonstrated by his most recent actions of editing and deleting God's devinely inspired work. Oh, I guess Weinland doesn't believe his word must be inspired anymore.

Tom said...

"You are in a unique position. Unlike many, you understand Weinland although you don't believe him. This may help you be drawn in the future. If you wish after seeing proof you could easily switch from knowing the knollege to believing and acting upon it."

Well, I am fortunate to understand Weinland and have come to understand that Weinland is not who he claims to be. Like I said in a past post "Time" will give us the answers. I just hope that you haven't become so entrenched in Weinland's doctrine that you have lost focus of what is truly important between God, yourself and your family. Weinland would not appreciate you setting on the fence and communicating with us on this forum. Ron would tell you to wake up and "to get off the pot." Why are you associating and communicating with such filth?

You have stated that,

"You are in a unique position. Unlike many, you understand Weinland although you don't believe him."

I have listened to Weinland, and it is evident through your post that you do not have a clear understanding of Weinland or his doctrine, even though you believe, but do not understand. You have accepted Weinland's beliefs because Ron said that it was so, even though you cannot verify that this doctrine is from God.

In the future, after enough time has elasped, you will remember this - and irony is that which is spoken next, which are your “words.”

"If you wish after seeing proof you could easily switch from knowing the knollege to believing and acting upon it."

And, this will be a day that will be joyous before your God and you will remember. Live in peace. Think before you leap.

Weinland Observer said...

Tom, rest assured that what I have learned through Weinland and Armstrong can only help me and will not and has not caused me to lose my focus on God and family. As for believing and not understanding, I can't possibly do that. I never believed something I did not understand or at least think I understood. In what ways do I not understand Ron's beliefs? I like this forum as there are many interesting people here. I also correct misunderstood facts and reply to comments. As for not taking the next step, I have a good reason for that, it is due to circumstance. I'll leave it at that for internet safet reasons. As for the future, I have always believed what I found to be true. I repent when the need arrises and will do so again if need be. If I believed without understanding as you claim, I would have lost my brain by now. Peace and understanding.

Purple Hymnal said...

Is anyone besides me getting deja vu? Our discussions with Weinland Observer sound almost identical to the discussions we had on Ironwolf during Timeline One, from beginning, to end.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

PH: LOL, I was just thinking the same thing. Does that mean that a new timeline's about ready to pop ;)