Refail Ron, Weinland's Sixth Thunder

To any Australian readers: Please tune in to the Compass program Sunday at 2220 and leave your impressions of the program and its treatment of False Prophet Ronald Weinland in a comment on this blog. Also, please check out some of the other posts on the Don't Drink the Flavor Aid blog which has been tracking the end-time antics of Weinland since March.

On page 109 of "2008 God's Final Witness", False Prophet Ronald Weinland wrote:
"The Sixth Thunder is the growing revelation of God’s end-time witnesses. That revelation is that I am the spokesman of God’s two end-time prophets—the spokesman of His two end-time witnesses."

A simple Google search on "Ronald Weinland" strongly indicates that the opposite has occurred, with search results of many hits critical of Weinland and his prophetic claims. Even Citizen X of The Weinland Witness, the lone blogger defending the false prophet, has taken a wait-and-see attitude and has posted nothing since early October.

Weinland continued on his book:
"This thunder will grow louder as the events described in the previous thunders continue to unfold with ever increasing intensity, proving the validity of what has been written and that what I am saying is true. Radio and television interviews will become more the norm as curiosity, news, controversy, and fear increase in proportion to the growing intensity of these thunders."

Most of Weinland's radio interviews were arranged by publicists whom he had hired, and were not the result of curious interviewers seeking him out. Weinland has not had a radio interview since his interview with WLW's Mike McConnell on May 2 when he promised to stop preaching if we're still having a picnic on Labor Day. And in July Daniel Ott of The Edge denounced Weinland for failing to come on the program again to acknowledge the failures of his prophecies as he had promised during his interview in December. So much for radio interviews being the norm.

But wait -- Ron Weinland is going to be on ABC TV. But the "A" stands for "Australian", not "American". And the interview was not recorded recently, but rather back in January while on Weinland's first trip of the year down-under. If the thunders had been sounding, seems to me they'd have pulled the interview off the shelf and aired it long before now. And get a load of the promo:
"Are we facing the end of the world? American Pentecostal Pastor Ron Weinland believes he has been sent by God to announce the end of the world in 3 years time! In a provocative episode of Compass we meet this self-proclaimed prophet. He believes the end times are imminent, and he’s not alone. Climate change, acts of terrorism and natural disasters have fuelled the current epidemic of apocalyptic thinking. In this Compass program leading Australian commentators; sociologist Richard Eckersley, Biblical scholar Dr John Dickson, literary academic Greg Clarke and psychologist Susan Tanner, tackle the ultimate question."

Weinland was not too happy about being described as Pentecostal. And it reads like they have four people lined up to tear him apart. So much for television interviews being the norm.

Weinland's Sixth Thunder has ReFailed. In fact, it has failed more miserably than it failed the first time, for the first opening of the Seventh Seal on March 18. No surprise given what he wrote in his book about the Sixth Thunder "This thunder will grow louder as the events described in the previous thunders continue to unfold with ever increasing intensity, proving the validity of what has been written and that what I am saying is true." Only one of the previous thunders has sounded and a 20% accuracy rate is not going to convince rational people of his prophetic abilities. Unfortunately Weinland's followers have set aside rationality.

Those Who Do Not Remember The Past Are Condemned to Repeat It

The title to this post is also an epitaph to the 918 people who died as the results of the words of a charismatic leader 30 years ago today in Jonestown, Gayana. Nine members of Congressman Jim Ryan's investigating team and accompanying journalists were murdered on the instructions of Jim Jones, and also 909 committed suicide on his instructions, although it is debated that some of this number were also murdered. Whether suicide or murder, most of those who died in Jonestown were as the result of the ingestion of Grape Flavor Aid laced with cyanide. The title of this post was text on a billboard that presided over the gruesome scene of the dead bodies of Jones' followers.

Since Flavor Aid is similar to the more commonly known Kool Aid, the phrase "Don't Drink the Kool Aid" entered the American lexicon as a caution to avoid getting sucked into the mindset of some charismatic leader.

Since the inception of this blog in April, 2008, it has been devoted to debunking the False Prophet Ronald Weinland. While this false prophet has shown no signs of calling for the suicide of his followers, he has been destructive to them nevertheless. To the older people with assets needed for their golden age, he has induced them to give it up for the false promise of being part of the 144,0o0. And to the younger people with their lives ahead of them, he has induced them to give it up for the fear of the Great Tribulation followed by the false promise of the Millenium.

Meanwhile the Spokesman Witness and the Silent Witness soak up the tithes of the gullible with a nervous eye on the investigation of the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division. I can only hope the IRS CID will be soon successful in diverting the Insane Liar from negatively effecting the lives of yet more followers. In the interim, I can only hope that I can help divert potential victims such as this one.

Those older COG-PKG members who came through Herbert Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God have themselves to blame. They didn't learn from their history with False Prophet Herbert Armstrong and are repeating it with False Prophet Ronald Weinland.

Don't Drink the Flavor Aid!!!!

Weinland's Elders Enjoying the Good Life

Last March 29, False Prophet Ronald Weinland had a conference of all his elders in preparation for his first prophetic timeline. Since they're in the beginning stages of Weinland's second timeline, he called a second elders conference this past weekend. This weekend's elders conference was held at the Embassy Suites in Murfreesboro which is a new hotel in the Nashville area. Giving them a taste of of how Weinland lives in his home, the elders and wives enjoyed the meals, accommodations, and amenities paid for with the lay membership's first tithes and 75% of second tithes. Also, a new elder has joined the ranks, one Ken Zitt in the Cincy area.

In preparation for the millions expected to join the COG-PKG during the coming Great Tribulation, Weinland added another layer of church government. Senior elders are to report to Johnny Harrell, and the remaining US elders are to report to the senior elder over their area. Three were named senior elders: Jim Jamieson in the Northwest, Jimmy Carlisle in Texas, and Stephen Dalrymple over the remainder of the US.

Weinland continued with his "Total Resolve with Zeal" series. He delivered a heaping load of guilt on those who questioned him as God's prophet when the first timeline failed miserably. Seems there was a good deal of questioning and murmuring during the week between June 21 when he rescinded the first timeline and June 28 when he revealed the 50th "truth" and officially revealed the second timeline first revealed on this blog the week before. God showed much grace and mercy by not striking them dead for daring to speak out against "God's prophet". ReFail Ron accused them of being motivated by false pride for being embarrassed for having supported him and his false prophecies.

The Weinlands and the Harrells made a special trip last April for the start of his job as Spokeman Witness. There is no such trip mentioned for the ReStart on December 14. The only trips he has mentioned are Detroit next weekend, the UK on Nov. 29, and Belgium/Netherlands the following weekend on Dec. 6.

The closest the false prophet came to mentioning the 1290 day or ReOpening of the Seventh Seal the day prior was that it (Saturday) was the 1289 day. If there had been an event that put the world in shock and in horror the day before, he'd have been all over it. But since there wasn't, better to pretend it hadn't happened. Best not to wear out the "it's spiritual" explanation.

One can only hope that Weinland's remaining followers will soon find some salve for their eyes so that they can see that they're not following God -- they're following a false prophet who has exploited them. And it is exploitation, whether or not the false prophet believes the nonsense he's spewing.

Refail Ron, Weinland's ReFailed Reopening of the Seventh Seal

While November the 14th still has a little bit of time in the US, the 1290 day is essentially over throughout the inhabited world with sunset having occurred an hour ago in Hawaii. I just rechecked news websites, and found no stories that would put the few remaining islands between Hawaii and the International Dateline in shock and horror, much less the whole world.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland will probably explain it way the same way he did for the same lack of an an event on the first opening of the Seventh Seal on March 18. In his sermon of March 22, he asked mockingly "Did I say anything was going to happen on the 18th? It's a spiritual thing. I thought I made that abundantly clear."

Typical of the Insane Liar. If something that he prophesied didn't happen, it was spiritual. And if something bad happens that he didn't prophesy, it's a spiritual battle. It's all spiritual.

World Shocked and in Horror Today

The title of this post comes from a quote from False Prophet Ronald Weinland's book "2008 God's Final Witness". At the end of page 23, it reads: "I know the exact day the Sixth Seal was opened, and the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the Seventh Seal is opened."

Today, November 14, is the 1290 day and the day that the Seventh Seal is opened. Excuse me, reopened because we're on Weinland's second timeline. The Seventh Seal was first opened on March 18.

I just took a look at the headlines. No big cataclysmic event yet that has the world shocked and in horror. Nothing on the order of 9/11. Nothing on the order of the tsunami of December, 2004.

Here in the US, it's still morning and there is yet time for something big to happen. But in New Zealand, it's already well past midnight and it the date is November 15. In Perth, Australia it's almost 11 PM and the day is almost over. Actually, the prophetic date is over since Weinland's religious days begin on sunset of the day before the civil day and end on sunset of the civil day. With the sun due to set in little more than an hour in Berlin, the prophetic date is also nearly over in Europe.

Refail Ron, Weinland's Fifth Thunder

Almost two years ago, Gavin Rumney put up the post "Ronnie Warns the World" on his Ambassador Watch blog. Gavin was rather critical of Weinland and his book "2008 God's Final Witness" which had recently been published.

Anthony "Tony" Wilson, who is one of the False Prophet's followers and also the webmaster for the HWA Compendium website which is devoted to the false prophet who was Weinland's mentor and idol, posted a comment in response. He made a number of interesting statements including the following: "If you want actual prophecies- read the book. He's stated very boldly specific individuals are going to die and in what order (Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh). If that's not a specific prophecy, what is? And obviously there's not a whole lot of time to wait for that fulfillment."

This is consistent with page 107-108 of "2008 GFW", where the self-declared prophet of the god of Abraham wrote: "The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God."

And just in case you weren't clear on this, he followed up with: "How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!" (Ron, you should chew out Larry -- he didn't fix your missing question mark in the first sentence.)

So the deaths of the CoG leaders named by Tony Wilson were to have occurred soon after the publication of Weinland's book in late 2006 as proof that Weinland is a prophet. But here it is two years later and they're all still alive. None of them are dead. The closest we've had to a fulfillment of this prophecy is Meredith's recent stroke. But that's not dead. And with the imminent second opening of the Seventh Seal, we're a long way past "soon".

But this failure is only part of the failure. On page 101 of "2008 GFW" Weinland wrote:
"This Fifth Thunder is divided into three specific phases of death. (1) The first phase is death within the Church of God that was scattered. It will be specifically about a marked increase in the death of its leadership (the ministry)." The deaths of these specific individuals was to be followed by deaths of other ministers in Armstronite splinters. When taken to task when this prophecy failed at the original end of the Sixth Seal under Weinland's first timeline on March 18th, the Insane Liar responded in his sermon of March 29th with:
"critics look for physical events during these times ... the biggest one that people are looking for is the death of ministers. Sad. " He tried to shift the blame to critics, saying that we wanted the ministers to die. Not true at all -- his critics are not asking for these individuals to die. Ron is the one who wanted this, as stated on page 101 of his book: "This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing..." No, Ron. We didn't want it -- you did!! Very sad. And yes, since this prophecy, death, is of a physical event we are looking to see whether the event took place. And it clearly didn't happen.

In his March 29 sermon he continued on the topic of the deaths of competing CoGers: "It's is going to happen. It's going to take place. Especially those who have been full time. Not all elders, but all ministers. The reality is during three and one-half years they are all going to die." Ron, you can whitewash this over for your deluded followers with such a lame statement. But for those who can read and reason, you clearly stated that these specific deaths were to have occurred a long time ago. Since they didn't happen early in 2007, you've been proven a false prophet by this alone.

Apparently Tony has forgotten this, since his HWA Compendium website is still distributing Armstrong's nonsense on the Internet. And it's also linking to Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland's websites.

But there are two additional phase of the Fifth Thunder, from Weinland's book: "(2) The second phase will be a sudden escalation in the death of notable people in the world. (3) The third phase will be a sudden escalation of death in the world from plagues." While a few celebrities have died in the past few months, the number is not out of the ordinary. There are no headlines commenting on the unusual numbers of celebrity deaths. Nor are there headlines discussing pandemics.

In response to a statement Weinland made in a recent sermon, I've never stated that Weinland's thunders could only happen in the Sixth Seal and could not continue on into the Seventh. It would not be inconsistent for his prophesied thunders to sound in the Sixth Seal and continue on into the Seventh. But it is inconsistent with his prophecies for a thunder to not sound at all during the Sixth Seal, whether it ended on March 18th in accordance with Timeline #1 or whether it ends tomorrow in accordance with Timeline #2.

So we clearly have a failure of the Fifth Thunder, all three phases of the Fifth Thunder including the first one which was to define Weinland as a prophet. Actually a refailure since Ronnie extended the Sixth Seal when his first timeline failed miserably. Even if this all happens tomorrow in advance of the reopening of the Seventh Seal on Friday (Nov 14), it's still a failure since this thunder did not get progressively louder.

A bit of an aside. Word has reached DDTFA that a COG-PKG member died last month, a Walter Licklighter. Like several other COG-PKG members who died earlier, he requested no funeral. Sad.