Refail Ron, Weinland's Fifth Thunder

Almost two years ago, Gavin Rumney put up the post "Ronnie Warns the World" on his Ambassador Watch blog. Gavin was rather critical of Weinland and his book "2008 God's Final Witness" which had recently been published.

Anthony "Tony" Wilson, who is one of the False Prophet's followers and also the webmaster for the HWA Compendium website which is devoted to the false prophet who was Weinland's mentor and idol, posted a comment in response. He made a number of interesting statements including the following: "If you want actual prophecies- read the book. He's stated very boldly specific individuals are going to die and in what order (Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh). If that's not a specific prophecy, what is? And obviously there's not a whole lot of time to wait for that fulfillment."

This is consistent with page 107-108 of "2008 GFW", where the self-declared prophet of the god of Abraham wrote: "The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God."

And just in case you weren't clear on this, he followed up with: "How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!" (Ron, you should chew out Larry -- he didn't fix your missing question mark in the first sentence.)

So the deaths of the CoG leaders named by Tony Wilson were to have occurred soon after the publication of Weinland's book in late 2006 as proof that Weinland is a prophet. But here it is two years later and they're all still alive. None of them are dead. The closest we've had to a fulfillment of this prophecy is Meredith's recent stroke. But that's not dead. And with the imminent second opening of the Seventh Seal, we're a long way past "soon".

But this failure is only part of the failure. On page 101 of "2008 GFW" Weinland wrote:
"This Fifth Thunder is divided into three specific phases of death. (1) The first phase is death within the Church of God that was scattered. It will be specifically about a marked increase in the death of its leadership (the ministry)." The deaths of these specific individuals was to be followed by deaths of other ministers in Armstronite splinters. When taken to task when this prophecy failed at the original end of the Sixth Seal under Weinland's first timeline on March 18th, the Insane Liar responded in his sermon of March 29th with:
"critics look for physical events during these times ... the biggest one that people are looking for is the death of ministers. Sad. " He tried to shift the blame to critics, saying that we wanted the ministers to die. Not true at all -- his critics are not asking for these individuals to die. Ron is the one who wanted this, as stated on page 101 of his book: "This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing..." No, Ron. We didn't want it -- you did!! Very sad. And yes, since this prophecy, death, is of a physical event we are looking to see whether the event took place. And it clearly didn't happen.

In his March 29 sermon he continued on the topic of the deaths of competing CoGers: "It's is going to happen. It's going to take place. Especially those who have been full time. Not all elders, but all ministers. The reality is during three and one-half years they are all going to die." Ron, you can whitewash this over for your deluded followers with such a lame statement. But for those who can read and reason, you clearly stated that these specific deaths were to have occurred a long time ago. Since they didn't happen early in 2007, you've been proven a false prophet by this alone.

Apparently Tony has forgotten this, since his HWA Compendium website is still distributing Armstrong's nonsense on the Internet. And it's also linking to Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland's websites.

But there are two additional phase of the Fifth Thunder, from Weinland's book: "(2) The second phase will be a sudden escalation in the death of notable people in the world. (3) The third phase will be a sudden escalation of death in the world from plagues." While a few celebrities have died in the past few months, the number is not out of the ordinary. There are no headlines commenting on the unusual numbers of celebrity deaths. Nor are there headlines discussing pandemics.

In response to a statement Weinland made in a recent sermon, I've never stated that Weinland's thunders could only happen in the Sixth Seal and could not continue on into the Seventh. It would not be inconsistent for his prophesied thunders to sound in the Sixth Seal and continue on into the Seventh. But it is inconsistent with his prophecies for a thunder to not sound at all during the Sixth Seal, whether it ended on March 18th in accordance with Timeline #1 or whether it ends tomorrow in accordance with Timeline #2.

So we clearly have a failure of the Fifth Thunder, all three phases of the Fifth Thunder including the first one which was to define Weinland as a prophet. Actually a refailure since Ronnie extended the Sixth Seal when his first timeline failed miserably. Even if this all happens tomorrow in advance of the reopening of the Seventh Seal on Friday (Nov 14), it's still a failure since this thunder did not get progressively louder.

A bit of an aside. Word has reached DDTFA that a COG-PKG member died last month, a Walter Licklighter. Like several other COG-PKG members who died earlier, he requested no funeral. Sad.