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Monday, April 21, 2008

"I Never Wrote Most of the Things I Wrote"

... with apologies to Yogi Berra.

In the COG-PKG FAQ page is this little tidbit:
"Some have questioned selected statements in the book "2008 God's Final Witness", believing they have found a contradiction. Most misunderstandings come when people have “read into” what was written. It is easy to read our own thoughts/ideas into what we believe we “see” when we are reading. It would be good to listen to the sermon entitled, “Three More Weeks” (March 29, 2008), as it addresses this subject matter."

I downloaded the March 29 sermon from their website. At about 8 minutes into the file was this gem (Weinland speaking):
"Our running down the hill is spiritual. Some critics find fault because they look at something physical, they can't help what they see. It's amazing, what people see.

"I've talked about January and February at different stages when speaking of Gideon's army. So critics look for physical events during these times, and yet clearly talked about what 1,335 was, clearly talked about what 1,290 was. But there're certain things people think you're saying, they come to certain conclusions. I thing the biggest one that people are looking for is the death of ministers Sad. It's gonna happen. (snorts derisively) It's going to take place. (scornfully) Especially those who have been full-time. Not all elders, but all ministers. The reality is during 3-and-a-half years they're all going to die. The judgement's already been passed by god."

OK, let's see what he wrote in "2008 God's Final Witness", pages 107-108:

"I have also made a petition to the ETERNAL God of Abraham. My petition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder be fulfilled exactly as it is written here. This request is so that scattered brethren who are asleep might be awakened and know that God has granted them the opportunity to repent and return to Him at this time. Also, it is so that they may know that I am His end-time prophet, His spokesman for the two end-time witnesses.

"It will be revealed in a very short time whether I am God’s prophet or not, as well as whether scattered Church leaders are God’s ministers any longer or not. As stated in a previous chapter, either one of these is true or neither is true.

"To make it absolutely clear, my petition covers more in regard to the scattered ministers. The most notable among them will be those who die toward the beginning. However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation. They will not be in the first resurrection, and they will not see the millennial reign of God’s Kingdom on earth.

"The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God. Then, those in the largest scattered group, who think they have escaped, will be lifted up to believe that God is with them because they are so filled with pride. But, when that happens, the deaths of many in the United Church of God will begin.

"How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!

While he does say that most of the ministry will die during the final 3 1/2 years, there were certain exceptions who were to die during the "Sixth Seal" which ended on March 18. Read his book where he talks about the 3 phases of death which comprise the Fifth Thunder -- and the quoted part was the first of those 3 phases. So let's see if these specific leaders died.

Living Church of God. I believe that Rod Meredith is one of the two presenters our false prophet referred to. If you go to the Living CoG website, there are not one but two sermons presented by Rod after March 18th. Not sure who is the other presenter Ronnie was talking about, but I'd bet that he's still collecting tithe money.

Philadelphia Church of God. On their Key of David website, Gerald Flurry has recorded several programs since March 18th.

Church of the Great God. On their website, John Ritenbaugh gave a sermon just yesterday.

Restored Church of God. Website lists a sermons, with the title "March 2008 Update ..." as being presented by David Pack.

Back to 2008 GFW pages 115-116
"During the Sixth Seal, all Seven Thunders will be getting progressively louder. Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth. But even then, many still will prefer to believe a lie! They still will prefer to be falsely soothed by denying reality and the truth. Also, by this moment in time, there will be a strong, rapidly growing recognition within the United States that I am who I say I am—one of God’s end-time witnesses and His prophet."

Weinland's book was published in 2006. Based on his prophecy, these individuals should have ALL died early in 2007, yet all of them are still alive. In any case, according to your prophecies they would have died before March 18th when according to you the Seventh Seal was opened.

It's worth repeating a sentence from Weinland's book
How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner.

Ron, you are convicted by your own words of being a false prophet. And what is the penalty for this? From Revelation chapter 22 and verse 18: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." The fourth chapter of "2008 - GFW" was an addition to Revelation 10:4.

If there is a god and if the Bible is his word, then you, Ronald Weinland, not me, you will be the one to suffer a slow painful death from all the plagues of Revelation. And no, it won't be "spiritual".


Weinland Watch said...

For more selected lunacy from "Three More Weeks" on March 29, plus an audio file that was recorded from the live version of the sermon on 29th March (I wouldn't trust any of the sermons posted on the church's site not to be edited), see here.

LOL did you check the #A NAME tag for that FAQ entry?? "#bookinaccurate". Ha!

Also don't forget, Matthews wrote a letter on March 18th, saying "the Seventh Seal was opened AND the thunders will begin to intensify". Matthews' excuse for this fudging? "god progressively reveals".

As the Church Lady would say, "How conVEEEEENient."

Ekimks (Mike) said...

Yeah, I did think the HTML tag was ironic while pasting it in.

The audio file that I got from their website was edited, at least to the extent of removing the announcements before the sermon. So the part I quote will be later on in the version downloaded from Weinland Watch. At about 31 minutes instead of 8 minutes.

I saw on WeinlandTranscipted notes for this sermon that during the announcements he cautioned that it would difficult for his flock to assemble on passover.

Weinland Watch said...

Yes, Weinland did make a big deal in all of the February and March sermons to fear-monger his brethren and indicate that they might not be able to assemble together for the Passover.

Unfortunately, the truly converted will probably not even bother to go back and hold Weinland to his own words, of as little as three months ago, but of how "god progressively reveals". :-(

Weinland Watch said...

I also believe the other LCG presenter referred to might be Richard Ames; who, it must be noted, gave the 1st DoUB keynote yesterday.