Weinland Explains?

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Los Angeles today, cooler there than Cinci. He announced a few upcoming trips with Hawaii planned for next week.

Then Weinland took several minutes to explain what happened at ideaCity. The audience during his presentation was generally respectful during his presentation, except for a couple of people who smirked at his British Israelism. He did not reiterate his objections to what Tom Harpur said. It was the 4th following presenter who stunned him. Ron compared it to having a close friend killed next to him and then hearing that person mocked a few days later. Laura equated Ron's experience with one of Paul's.

Ron was still so stunned three days later that he didn't know what he was saying in last Saturday's sermon. He was thankful that he could edit the sermon, but everyone got the gist about the time, times and half-a-time being one seventh.

Some also got the gist about the significance of the presentation being 7 days later from the end of half-a-time, even though it was 6 days later. Let's review what he said, and what he edited out (the part in italics below).

And all of this is significant as God does things in a very orderly manner. It's no coincidence that even seven days later I gave the kind of speech that God had me deliver. God is indeed setting the stage for far greater things to follow.

For me his explanation for what he said last week fell flat. Ron should have explained exactly what he had to edit in order to correct it for those who got that gist-- I could have had a bit of respect for that. As it is, those who found his deleted statements significant are still under that impression, unless they make careful comparisons between the two versions of the sermon. Or unless they read my blog -- and what are the odds of either of these happening?

"Observer", what do you think of his explanation?

Updated: I guess that Ron is rubbing off on me, got a couple of commenters confused due to the similar handles. I'd meant to ask the question of another commenter.

"Weinland Observer", what is your reaction to Ron's explanation?

The Ghost of Rose Mary

For the last couple of posts, we have been discussing in the comments sections of these posts False Prophet Ronald Weinland's appearance and and disappearance from ideaCity in Toronto. This discussion included the topic of which day, Wednesday or Thursday, was the day of his presentation. I stated that it was on Wednesday, not Thursday as Ron had stated. A couple of Weinland's followers, "Observer" and "Weinland Observer" have participated in these discussions. I am pleased that the discussion while with disagreements has been civil.

I came home from a grueling day at work to read the following comment on my last post from "Observer".

I have listened to last Saturday's sermon 3 times through and parts of it
several more times and I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone could
think that Ron was making any significance out of the day he spoke at Idea City.
The day of the interview was important, marking the beginning of the second half
time but anything else is simply conjecture at best. This said, I heard Ron
refer to 3 specific times:
1. At 2:25 "the past Tuesday" -referring the day
they flew to Toronto
2. At 58:27 "a little over a week ago Thursday" -
referring to the day of the interview (June 11th)
3. At 60:58 "after the
second session started" - referring to when Ron spoke and since there were two
sessions in the morning and two in the afternoon of each day, the second session
would have happened after the midmorning break on Wednesday. I did not hear Ron say that he spoke on Thursday even though I played the section that you referred
to several times.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on what Weinland
Observer has said and not been careful enough to stick to the facts. In
referring to how God had prepared things perfectly for his talk, Ron was talking
about the fact that the speakers that had gone before him had spoken on topics
that naturally led into what he was going to speak about.
If it will make
Weinland Observer any happier though, I will point out that if the Thursday that
Ron did the interviews was the first day of the second half time, it would be
Wednesday, not Thursday, that would be the 7th day. However, I think that it is
only WO, and no one else, that has claimed that this is significant.

The first thing I did was to question myself. After all, "Observer" had pointed out something I didn't get quite right before. So I listened to the sermon yet again this evening, and yes, I had heard them correctly.

The second thought was that maybe "Observer" doesn't have "ears to hear" in this case. But he's really been pretty straight with me through our exchanges in the past few days, so I moved on to consider another possibility.

I downloaded the sermon yet again. The first thing I noticed was that the newly downloaded version was 2 minutes and 11 seconds shorter than the version I downloaded on Saturday evening, with a length of 1:46:35 instead of 1:48:46. So I wondered what happened to that 2 minutes and 11 seconds. Both sermons started off the same, so he had not had the announcments redacted earlier than he normally did. (Usually that doesn't happen until after the following Saturday.) So I looked for "Thursday"s.

At 7 minutes in the version of the sermon downloaded on Saturday:

On Thursday morning, I probably had one of the most unique experiences of my ministry in God's church.

At 6 minutes and 44 seconds into the version downloaded today, he said everything except what's in italics. That part was edited out.

At about 15 minutes and 10 seconds in the version downloaded Saturday, Ron said:

I gave this talk at ideaCity on Thursday, Thursday morning.
The speech was only about 20 minutes long.

In the version I downloaded today, he said everything except the part in italics. That part had been edited out.

In the version downloaded Saturday, at about 16 minutes and 20 seconds, Ron said:

But I wanted to mention, 7 days earlier, from Thursday, this past Thursday,
7 days earlier before that speech was given that previous Thursday
marked a period of the time that we call, or can call, "Half a Time".

In the version downloaded today, at about 15 minutes and 40 seconds, Ron said the same thing except for the part in italics. That part had been edited out.

Continuing with the same scheme, at 17 minutes into the version downloaded Saturday, 16 minutes into the version downloaded today:

But on that previous Thursday, we had completed the first one-seventh of the end time. One seventh was now behind us. We have 6 more in front of us. Still a lot. But I marvel at what hasn't happened during that period of time, and I marvel at what has happened during that period of time. And all of this is significant as God does things in a very orderly manner. It's no coincidence that even seven days later I gave the kind of speech that God had me deliver. God is indeed setting the stage for far greater things to follow.

All the stuff in italics had been edited out. Ron sure is suddenly allergic to the word "Thursday".

Now I've seen accusations that Ron would edit his sermons to remove embarrassing statements such as these. I didn't believe it before, but I sure do now. It seems that someone besides "Weinland Observer" thought these comments were significant and went to the trouble to edit them out of the sermon.

In my last post, I directly linked the file from the church website. Since Ron has proven himself untrustworthy, I'm providing links to alternate copies available for download. Oh snap, why did I trust him at all? He broke the promises he made in his "If By Pentecost" declaration. He broke the promises he made in all those radio interviews that he would not alter his prophecies if they didn't happen. Oh, well -- fool me twice.

Anyway here are the links to the two versions of the sermon. (Files are around 18 MB long. Right-click and then save-as to your hard drive.)

• Downloaded from the church website on Saturday, June 20. (Filename starts "090620AW")
• Downloaded from the church website on Wednesday, June 24. (Filename starts "090624RW")

So "Observer" I believe what you said -- you didn't hear him say "Thursday" in the sermon you listened. That was not the same sermon that Ron delivered on Saturday when he said that he spoke on Thursday at ideaCity, 7 days after the end of "Half a Time". I just wonder what else was edited out of the sermon, because the missing words I've mentioned do not account for all of the missing 2 minutes and 11 seconds.

So, what do you think Ron's story will be on Saturday? Or will he just pretend it didn't happen?

In case you're wondering about the title to this post, here's a Wikipedia article on Rose Mary.

Does Anybody Really Know What Day It Is?

In the comment section of my previous post, there was been some controversy concerning which of the speakers at ideaCity following False Prophet Ronald Weinland's presentation was the one to whom he reacted. A couple of Weinland's followers have been participating in that discussion. A misunderstanding I had was clarified: while Tom Harpur followed Ron immediately and Ron objected to what Harpur had to say, it was the presentation of Rick Miller which truly offended Weinland to the point that he left the conference early to return to the safe company of his deluded followers, giving up his opportunity to proselyte further and "help" yet others.

(Timestamps are according to the initial version of the sermon downloadable this week which includes the announcements.) Update: turns out that the initial version on the church website was not the initial version after all, but had been edited to remove embarrassing parts as explained in the following post. I've updated the link here to point to a copy of the actual initial version.

Ronald Weinland stated in his sermon last Saturday (15 minutes and 10 seconds into the file) that he gave his presentation at ideaCity the Thursday prior, (June 18th). Then at 16 minutes and 20 seconds he made the point that seven days earlier than that was the Thursday which he give interviews (Thursday, June 11) and also was at the end of "Half a Time". With December 14, 2008 being day 1 of the Great Tribulation, Thursday, June 11th was the 180th day or "Half a Time". And Thursday, June 18th was 7 days later or day 187.

I thought that Ron had said the prior Saturday (June 13) that his presentation was to be given on Wednesday. According to the Agenda page on the ideaCity website, the presentation schedule was:

Day 1 - Wednesday June 17th

Session 1 - 8:30am-10:45am
GREAT POWERS
Jacob Abrahamse
Powers of Ten + Marcel Danesi
Mark Showalter
Barth Netterfield
David Ben

Session 2 - 11:35am-1:35pm
SPIRITUALITY, Sponsored by SVOX
Ronald Weinland
Tom Harpur
John
Geiger
Richard MacDonald
Rick Miller

LUNCH BREAK

I wondered about the discrepancy between what Ron said last Saturday was the day of the presentation (Thursday) Vs the Agenda (Wednesday). "Observer" thought it wasn't important. "Weinland Observer" thought there might be prophetic significance in the number 7.

Has anyone considered the fact that based on Weinland's description of the significance of him speaking at Idea City seven days after the first half a time (which is 180 days) that maybe the witnesses wil do something significant every seven days after a half a time with the exception of the seventh half time in which it would occur a little earlier with death and reserection? Don't be surprized if something Weinland-significant happens on Dec. 16, 2009! Also, I wonder whether Ron will have something to say about the guesses i have been posting and say something about the fact that "When the time is right, God gives."

I decided to look for some information to resolve this discrepancy as to which day he gave his presentation. I found it on Twitter. Here are a few tweets that I found from several twitterers:

Magician David Ben "improvisation requires technique"7:18 AM Jun 17th from TwitterBerry

We're at ideaCity. First up -- space exploration! Next up -- religion. Later we'll see Preston Manning and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.7:27 AM Jun 17th from web

ronald weinlnd at #ideacity09 is a nutjob8:44 AM Jun 17th from mobile web

ronald weinland at #ideacity09 is a nutjob. crazy buzzkill.8:50 AM Jun 17th from mobile web

world ends on may 27, 2012. cancel your reservations.9:09 AM Jun 17th from mobile web

ideaCity deep in religious talks. thinking about C8 and the spring series victory. #VORg C8 not so much. http://yfrog.com/2flq0j9:16 AM Jun 17th from Tweetie

'End-time prophet' Ronald Weinland says nuclear war, billions die, God takes over on May 27, 2012. Ouch.9:16 AM Jun 17th from Tweetie

Pagan Christ expert Tom Harper counters 'God doesn't write books. Fallible human beings do.' Ha. We can live.9:40 AM Jun 17th from Tweetie

Tom Harpur at IdeaCity- "religion is mythology misunderstood".9:44 AM Jun 17th from TwitterBerry

rick miller at #ideacity09 made an awesome jesus!10:31 AM Jun 17th from mobile web

I'm attribute the 2-3 hour discrepancy between the tweet timestamps and the Agenda times as resulting from the fact that I'm not a "twitterer" and Twitter defaulted me to a time zone further west since I wasn't logged in. And possibly the presentations didn't go off at the exact scheduled time. But note the day on the tweets: Ronald Weinland gave his talk on Wednesday, June 17th. It was not delivered on Thursday, June 18th, 7 days after the end of "Half a Time". It was delivered 6 days later. Not the number of God (7), but the number of man(6).

Weinland's multiple statements: "Thursday" (repeated the word "Thursday") and "seven days earlier" and "end of half-a-time" are more than a simple mistatement. I just want to know whether Weinland is really that confused as to what day of the week he gave his presentation. Or if he had some prophetic motive. And I'm willing to consider either possibility, because:

• Ron thinks he's one of the Two Witnesses. And that his wife is the other.
• Ron didn't keep his word to stop preaching when his prophecies did not materialize, and he broke his promises that he would not revise his prophecies when they failed

So "Weinland Observer", if you want creds from your spiritual idol, make a neat YouTube video in his honor. Or better yet, make a flexible calendar that moves days around so that it can be any prophetic number of days between two events -- Ron would really, really like that. And he really, really has great need of one. Who knows, maybe he would make you the other witness. But as far as your guesses, I think that what he'll say is "Stop entertaining demons."

It's Half a Time

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Toronto yesterday. His sermon went off as scheduled at 3:30 Eastern time since he was not held up at the ideaCity luncheon. It turned out that Ron did not break the sabbath by partying at ideaCity after all.

Ron will be thinking about the cold winters of Winnipeg well into the Millennium. Ron was amazed that everyone could assemble this far into the Great Tribulation. COG-PKG membership must be popping in Florida since Ron ordained a second elder for the sunshine state, making sure the new one was all the way across the state on the Atlantic side.

Ron had a hard time fitting in with all the intellectuals at ideaCity. His talk was delivered on Thursday morning instead of Wednesday morning. The audience was mostly in stunned silence during his presentation, but a few let their mirth escape. One of them is indeed fortunate that Ron does not really have Witness powers -- Ron was so offended that he wanted to strike the offender dead on the spot. Nevertheless, Ron compared himself to his spiritual idol, Herbert Armstrong, as being unique among all the other Armstrongists by being able to address such a large group of non-believers.

Ron, let me repair some misconceptions you have.
(1) The handlers at ideaCity were nice and respectful to you because they were being paid to with hold their laughter until out of your presence. Same for the radio interviewers.
(2) Don't confuse intelligence and reasoning with haughtiness and pride. You're not around intelligence and reasoning much these days, are you? Hanging around your followers quite a bit, huh?

A week ago last Thursday was a prophetic day. It was 180 days into the not-so-Great Tribulation, or "half a time", and the earthshaking events for that milestone were a couple of interviews on local radio stations in Toronto.

After Ron's talk, he went backstage for a post-presentation interview. Meanwhile the next speaker had a different opinion and was speaking heresy about the Bible. Looking over the bios, the following presenter was Tom Harpur, author of "The Pagan Christ". Tom's CV is a bit more impressive than Ron's, whose main talent was being able to swallow British Israelism whole on a mention from his father, no further investigation required. Tom Harpur's heresy was too much for Ron to tolerate, so he left ideaCity. Now Ron, Tom sat through your nonsense -- or maybe he was the one who laughed at your mention of BI. How much longer does he have to live?

The morning of my posting is also prophetic. With the publication of this post, yet another of Weinland's prophecies is false, as it's now six months after the fall season of 2008 and yet the US exists as an independent nation despite what is published on the last page of his book. After Ron changed his timeline a year ago, he assured us that nothing had changed in his book "2008 God's Final Witness", not even an iota. And it's also half a year, an actual 365-day year, not an imaginary 360-day year, or 182 and 1/2 days since Ron cursed me to speedily die from the inside.

Update: In which the False Prophet may have rubbed off on me.

As "Observer" has pointed out in the comments, an agenda is available on the ideaCity website hidden away here. It shows Ron speaking first in that session, followed by Tom Harpur, and 4 speakers later is Rick Miller, a standup comedian who includes in his repertoire a comedic routine that Ron would consider blasphemous. I'll have to listen again to Saturday's sermon later on to see if Ron, as "Observer" points out, mentioned the offending speaker as 4 speakers later. And if, as I recall him saying, he spoke on Thursday instead of on Wednesday as is listed on the agenda.

So I may have been presumptuous, though not in the prophetic sense as Ron. Thanks for pointing out my possible error. And if I've made any other errors, such that as we're not an independent nation over 6 months after the end of the 2008 fall season and that we don't have a new president, or that "nukular" weapons were detonated in US port cities last July, or that Rod Meredith, Dave Pack, and Gerald Flurry really did die before the 7th seal opened (either time), please let me know.

Update 2, maybe I wasn't quite so wrong.

I listened to the sermon again, and clarified a few points. The timestamps given correspond to the version of the sermon with the announcements only available until next Saturday after which they'll redact the announcements.

At 15 minutes, he states that he gave the talk on Thursday as I remembered. According to the website agenda, and his announcment the prior Saturday, Ron was scheduled for Wednesday morning. Perhaps they switched the days for an agenda, because his description otherwise matches the time.

Beginning at 1 hour and 1 minutes into the sermon MP3 file, he begins talking about the presentation. Afterward, he had an interview during which someone spoke about Biblical contradictions and the authors of the 4 gospels. This person exhibited great stupidity. This is consistent with Tom Harpur. Ron did take great exception and wanted to speak out. The next two speakers he said were interesting, which seems reasonable given the bios for John Geiger and Richard McDonald. The fourth speaker following is the one he took the greatest exception to and probably was the one who offended Ron the most, and that person according to the agenda was Rick Miller who has a comedic routine, Bigger Than Jesus.

So I wasn't totally wrong. Still wondering if it happened on Wednesday or Thursday. As Gavin Rumney pointed out, Weinland was a warmup act for Tom Harpur. As far as blasphemy, to turn a phrase "that's in the eye of the beholder". Ron has his definition of blasphemy. My definition of a blasphemer is someone who delivers swill and trash on a weekly basis and takes advantage of the gullibility of others to sell his own delusions damaging their finances, family relationships, and psyches.

It's About Time

False Prophet Ronald Weinland finally put up the post on his blog he promised last Saturday. Here are a few low lights from it:

That destruction is coming, and it will be coming all too soon. It doesn’t need to be rushed!

We can be ever so thankful that the Second Trumpet has not yet sounded and that it may now be withheld even longer.

And the biggy:

For the final sermon on the Last Great Day of the Feast, it is planned that a sermon will be given on the subject of “time, times, and half a time.” God is beginning to give a clearer understanding of what He is doing concerning a “new” significance this expression has for this end-time. Due to the special fast held by God’s Church in January this year, some prophetic events have been shifted within the framework of the fulfillment of “time, times, and half a time.”

My read on this is that Weinland is priming his flock, not quite for timeline #3, but an extensive revision of timeline #2. The tribulation will not be great for quite awhile yet.

Then the Spokesman Witness discussed two interviews he'd had last week with a couple of Toronto radio stations:

Rather than being treated with attitudes that can be challenging, confrontational, disbelieving, irreverent, and at times condescending, there indeed seems to be a shift beginning to take place in which the message (and messenger) are beginning to be treated with greater respect.

Do you think maybe these were promotional events for ideaCity? Would they want to get a presenter all upset before hand? He then goes on to compare himself to his own spiritual idol:

It will be interesting to see what door or doors God opens as a result of this unique speaking invitation in Toronto. I am reminded of the kinds of invitations Mr. Armstrong received that led to even greater opportunities to preach the gospel (as this was his commission).

Then this gem:

Beginning in 2009, the United States placed a new government in motion that no longer has any favor and will no longer receive any help from God.

Just as a reminder the "new government" that he's talking about is one that wasn't supposed to exist at all, as he prophesied that no new president would take office this year. Weinland winds up his post by hammering on the only one of the thunders that seems to be sounding, the economy.

He promises more on the sequence of events in his sermon tomorrow at 3:30 Eastern time (or later). Ronnie, do you also have "new" significance on the timing as to when I'm to die speedily? After all it's almost 26 weeks since you laid the curse on me.

Where's Ronnie?

Yesterday morning was to have been False Prophet Ronald Weinland's 20 minutes of fame as he spoke at ideaCity. Since I have to work for a living and wouldn't have spent $99 for the streaming feed in any case, I don't know how he was received. Ron's promised post has not appeared on his blog. Maybe it will appear in the next two minutes after I publish.

What does the silence mean? Did Ron speak so eloquently and convincingly that he is counseling and baptizing hundreds of the audience members who were sufficiently well heeled to spend $4000 on admission? Or is he barricaded in his hotel room fending off scores of people repenting of having spent their money to hear him? Or is he attending the legendary parties mentioned in this press release? And dare I risk the wrath of the Spokesman Witness by wondering if he'll be partying tomorrow night after sundown (the sabbath)?

We'll just have to wait to see if he shows up at 3:30 PM Eastern time (or maybe later) on Saturday in Toronto to deliver his sermon and his version of events. Maybe Moses Znaimer will be so impressed with Ron that he'll give him free airtime on the religious TV channel he just purchased.

Or maybe the effects of the first 4 trumpets will suddenly come into effect so that we will not have another failed prophecy, the one on the last page of his book that states the United States will not be an independent nation within 6 months after the 2008 Fall season, which expires on Sunday morning.

Or maybe Ron's curse on me to die speedily from the inside will finally materialize and I won't know in any case. So much exciting stuff to happen in the next few days.

The UK is Kind of a Foreign Country

Could False Prophet Ronald Weinland be getting ready to change to his third timeline? The Spokesman Witness was back in Cincinnati for Saturday's sermon after his European jaunt. He commented that only two in all of the UK are part of the "scattering", which is those who were in WCG before Tkach's apostasy of December 17, 1994. These two are the Milnes (which Ron has previously pronounced like "Milney"). So only two in all of the UK will be converted to spirit beings in three years when Christ returns. And it seems that the UK must be a foreign country because the English they speak is not quite like ours.

This is the last week for the first 4 trumpets to blow in order to fullfill Weinland's prophecy on the last page of his book that the US meets its demise by 8:04 EDT on June 21 (see the countdown clock on the right side of the blog). Ron has ignored that and promises this to be a special week for other reasons. It's the week during which he goes to ideaCity in Toronto. False Prophet Ron is scheduled to speak late Wednesday morning. Ronnie also mentioned a couple of interviews last Thursday -- perhaps these are promotional for the event.

Ron also promises a new post to his blog this week and a special sermon next weekend. Could this be a redux of last year? Last year on June 17, Ron posted "New Truth" on his blog as a setup to his change to the second timeline. Then the following Saturday, June 22, he announced that the first timeline had failed but that people would have to wait to hear the new truth until the Feast of Trumpets on September 30 . However, I published his new "truth" and timeline that same day and the following Saturday, on June 29, he announced the 50th "truth" and the second timeline in order to stave off the loss of his membership.

Ron alluded back to the State of California's receivership of WCG back in 1979. Then he mentioned that members had been contacted recently by "parts of our government". My speculation is that IRS Criminal Investigation has now expanded its criminal investigation of Ronald Weinland that began last year and that was exposed on this blog back in August to include interviews of members. Ron's advice was that they should tell the truth, saying it's a process that they have to go through. That is good advice, as it's against the law to lie to a federal agent. But Ron figures that they don't know anything anyway.

Ron went on to discuss prophetic events. He claims that attitudes are "starting to change out there", but people won't really be humbled until the fifth trumpet comes along. Hmm, I thought the humbling process was supposed to be the result an intensifying of the thunders that were to follow the two-day fast the membership suffered through back at the end of January. Ron added that "the two witnesses" won't "do their job" until the fifth trumpet and then will be doing their job in Germany and other nations in Europe.

Last year I was able to predict Ron's second timeline even before he announced it. Let's see if my prophetic skill are still intact. My speculation is that Weinland feels the feds closing in on him. Also the absence of the Great Tribulation. He has a scheme to hang on to his membership whether he's incarcerated or flees prosecution to Germany. He claimed in December that he was closing his Swiss bank account. But did he close all of his accounts or just a token account? Basically, he needs to come up with a way to spiritualize the trumpets so that he have have them blow whenever it's convenient for him. Also a scheme to Spin It Like It's 1979 should he end up in Federal custody courtesy of IRS CI.

My crystal ball is hazier than it was a year ago. But I think that he's getting ready to fine tune this timeline to give it some more duration. I don't expect the timeline to change before his Last Great Day sermon.

Ronnie stated that he's getting threatening emails, and he's glad that he has the protection of being a Witness. Sorry to burst your bubble, Ron, but you're not in a Witness protection program -- you're just as vulnerable as anyone else. But even though you issued a death curse against me 25 weeks ago, I am against violence as a way to stop your exploitation of others. Were Weinland to be killed, his followers would regroup and continue on. It's up to his followers to clean out their eyes and ears so that they can see and hear what a false prophet he is.

Ronnie. No. No one's going to think that you're the Great False Prophet. The Sixth Thunder will never sound and very few people will have heard of you before Christ doesn't return in 2012.

Spiritual Idolatry

The following is transcribed from notes taken by a member of The Church of God Inc. during one of Ron Weinland's sermons a few weeks before the split that happened in February of 2000 and Weinland's later changing the dba name to Church of God - PKG. I found some of the statements ironic considering what happened in the weeks and years following. Disclaimer: these may not be exact verbatim quotes, but again were notes taken during the sermon.

You can speak what the truth of God is in doctrine, yet lie about what is true. True doctrine does not make you spiritually true because you can possess the truths of God and still be a false witness.

Too many today are lifting themselves up, kidding themselves that they are doing God's bidding, yet all the while denying the true evidence all around them. To lift ourselves above what is true and falsely esteem an organization, or a ministry, and its efforts while ignoring the truth, is the epitome of Laodicea.

Many brethren are going to be found guilty of working against God's will, not for it. They are not actually doing His work, but they believe they are. Lifting up our own efforts, as being God's, is idolatry. Stubbornly supporting things that are false and lifting up an organizations or a ministry that denies the true evidence is idolatry. Spiritual idolatry was the great sin, and sin separates us from God.

Idolatry is the result of pride. It is mixed with attitudes of haughtiness, complacency, apathy, lying and deceit. It results in blindness to the true will and purpose of God.

We are first and foremost the work of God, His first fruits. Any who deny this and seek to make God or His work something different is deep in idolatry.

Now is the time to flee idolatry! Now is the time to repent of pride. Have some organizations and brethren, who started out by helping others, now turned to spiritual idolatry all over again? Can one remain in such an environment and not become weaker? Or are you waiting for some big doctrinal change before being committed to flee again? Spiritual idolatry comes long before spiritual fornication. If you wait for a doctrinal change in order to justify yourself, you risk not being alert enough (instead of asleep), much less strong enough to resist it. Do you have a higher opinion of yourself?

Weinland used to publish a periodical called "Newswatch". A few months earlier, in the August-September 1999 issue, Weinland wrote:
You might believe that a decision to sever such a fellowship is easy to make. If your were confronted with this same decision on the issue of tithing, perhaps it might be an easy decision for you. But what about other false doctrines that are floating around the Church? What about other difficult choices that have to do with integrity, truthfulness, righteous financial stewardship, spiritual idolatry, or harsh rulership of a minister or an organization?

I couldn't resist bolding the parts I found particularly ironic. Ron changed the doctrine on the origin of Jesus Christ in 2005. Later he solicits funds from his congregation to "help others" by promoting his books of false prophecy. Then when his prophecies fail, he denies the evidence around him and convinces his followers to do the same.

I urge all to flee the spiritual idolatry of False Prophet Ronald Weinland.

Death Cab for Ron

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in the UK today. Wayne and Chris Matthews have extended their vacation from unemployment yet another week. With no job, Wayne has time to function as the evangelist over Europe as well. Recently ordained elder William Milne was elevated to senior elder over the other UK elders Phillip and Benjamin because he has been baptized the longest. Seniority counts.

Ron went on at great length about being ripped off by a cab driver in Berlin but repenting of getting angry.

He also mentioned receiving an email that asked him why he didn't sue his critics. Ron's response is that we're being eaten up inside. But now it seems that it's in God's time. Guess God's time isn't speedily, since it's now 24 weeks since the Insane Liar pronounced his death curse on me.

Ron stated that his critics had a past with WCG or with Ron himself, having been put out for adultery and other sins. Ron, Ron, Ron -- none of the three bloggers actively criticizing you have been members of WCG. None of us have been members of your church either, nor any other Armstrongite splinter for that matter. Exactly who are you talking about? Make it clear or admit to being a liar. Otherwise, it's just a bogus ad hominem attack. Exactly which blogger committed adultery?

To whomever it was who suggested that Ron sue me: if I've said anything that's not true, then please provide the correct information. Unlike Ron, I do wish to be accurate. You may respond in a comment on this blog, or you can email me at the address on the picture of the mailbox in the right-hand column. But understand that you have a tall order if you want to convince me that Ron is not a false prophet. If you respond, then "Just the facts, Ma'am" -- no rhetoric or telling me that I don't have eyes to see or ears to hear or similar nonsense. As Ron would say "Delete, Delete, Delete". My goal is to put out accurate information, but it seems that Ron doesn't care as he never responded to my earlier email to him.

Ron's Church, An Overview

In late 2006 and early 2007, False Prophet Ronald Weinland gave a 3-parter entitled "God's Church, An Overview". He stated that the sermon series was intended for new members and those who would come after them. Despite that, those sermons are no longer linked on the COG-PKG website. Nevertheless I was able to obtain copies and listen to them. It's somewhat understandable as to why he pulled them.

On Saturday December 23, 2006, Weinland stated:
“To all of you listening, this is the second to the last sabbath in 2006 – we have one more sabbath for this year. Beginning in the month of January, I’m just going to state this, I’ve asked God that the seven thunders begin to sound, distinctly so, OK. There’s been some thundering in the distance, but now it’s going to get a whole lot closer. …. It’s time for things to begin brethren. We have a period of time where things can begin to take place and to follow suit with what’s written in the book."

The following Saturday, December 30th of 2006, Weinland was confused about the thunders he himself defined, mixing up the 4th and 5th thunders, stating:
“some have asked about the death of different ones, they all go to the 4th thunder, …. There are those that want to jump ahead to the 4th thunder, especially when it’s about the churches, it’s like there’s a joy about certain ones dying. There’s no joy God says he doesn’t enjoy the death of human beings"
He then went on to speculate that the death of Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin could be part of a thunder.

On the first Saturday of 2007, January 6, Ron ironically read from the last verses of Revelation (chapter 22) which reads :
¹⁸For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

¹⁹And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Then Weinland talked about sending a copy of his book with a letter marked "Personal" to 3 of the 5 ministers mentioned in his book with plans to do the same for the remaining 2 the following week. For those not familiar with Weinland's prophecies, beginning on the bottom of page 107 of "2008 God's Final Witness" it states:
"The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God."
and a bit later:
"How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!"
Ron, Ron Ron. No one was looking forward with eager joyful anticipation to the deaths of these 5 ministers. They were looking for whether you passed the test you defined for yourself as to whether you are really God's prophet. By the way, all five of these leaders of competing splinters of WCG are still alive more than 2 1/2 year after you published your book. (The accursed five who've outlived their time are: Rod Meredith and Richard Ames of LCG, Gerald Flurry of PCOG, Dave Pack of RCG, and John Ritenbaugh of CGG.)

Toward the end Ron talked about how the book printing and interviews publicizing it were nearly 2 months behind schedule. In reality it was longer than that. On last page of this divinely inspired book it states:
"When this book is published at the end of summer of 2006, (with distribution in full swing in the fall), there will be a maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be plunged into the worst time of all human history."
The book was not published at the end of summer, 2006. It wasn't until almost 2 months into the fall, on November 14, when it was released to the printer and made available for download from Weinland's website the-end.com. Even though it was well after the fall of 2006, that hardly constitutes "distribution in full swing". And even though it's longer than 2 years after the delayed publication, we are not "plunged" into the worst time of all human history -- despite the difficult economic times, it's far from the worst it has ever been.

And Weinland made this ironic statement.
“I’m so tickled that we have a very short work to do. Because they can’t come after us like they did Mr. Armstrong. They don’t even have time to get organized. Because they started lambasting him and the Worldwide Church of God as being a cult. And the government of California gave him a hard time, gave the church a hard time. They were stirred up in spirit, in a wrong spirit. We aren’t going to be around that long, to worry about all that. They don’t have time to even come after us. They’re going to be preoccupied with other things. Thank God. You’re going to come to understand that far more deeply as we go through some of this. You truly will."

Ronnie boy, not only have you had many critics (none of whom are deceased despite your death curses) but the government is coming after you in a more intense fashion than it did HWA. HWA had the luxury of fleeing a California subpoena a short plane ride away to a neighboring state. You, on the other hand, are facing the wrath of the IRS. And I suspect that you closed down your Swiss bank accounts after your attorney told you that you couldn't avoid extradition. Does anyone understand anything "far more deeply"?