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Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Don't Drink the Flavor Aid -- One Year Later

It was one year ago yesterday that I started "Don't Drink the Flavor Aid". I had been following the buzz about a false prophet on Ironwolf's multi-part series on his blog. I joined Robert's live chat during Weinland's sermon on March 29th of last year and heard his "If By Pentecost" declaration. At the time I doubted that he would follow through with his promise and on Pentecost, June 8, was not disappointed.

After my introduction post, the next post I wrote was to debunk his Second Thunder, earthquakes, with actual data. I followed up with posts that debunked his Fifth Thunder and that mocked Ron, making me eligible for a slow death from the inside according the curse that Weinland declared on April 19th.

Early in May, I was sobered by Weinland's statements that people had given him tens of thousands of dollars so that he could spend hundred's of thousands of dollars on his ridiculous Internet advertising. I stated that it was time for Ron to give it up. He paid no attention.

On June 8th, Weinland defined himself as an Insane Liar by giving the sermon that day. But only two weeks later, on June 21, he announced the failure of his first timeline and that he would have a new 50th truth to announce at the Feast of Trumpets on Sept 30. He gave enough clues that I was able to figure out his 50th truth and new timeline before the sun set on his partial revelation and announced what it was with a blog post. This quickly circulated the Internet. Weinland decided that he needed to adjust the timeline for the revelation of his timeline. The following Saturday he said that "some out there" had figured it out, because after all it wasn't rocket science, and went ahead and announced his new "truth". Ron, it wasn't "some" who figured it out, it was me. But he didn't reveal the 50th "truth" earlier than Trumpets because of my spoiler -- rather he quickly figured out he would lose his flock if he didn't pull the wool back over their eyes.

In July, I published photos of the front and rear of Weinland's $381,000 mansion. Ron's home apparently entered into the email exchange that exiting member Mike Allen had with Weinland in January. Ron made a comment about "the stupid thing of the house that's out there on the Internet. $381,000. Whoop-de-doo." and stated he could have been criticized for spending less and could also have spent more. My purpose in publishing the photos was not to show where he lived (I did not publish his address) but rather how he lived. I don't think his extravagant lifestyle matters to most of his followers, but to one it has and to a few others it might.

In August, I broke the story of the IRS criminal investigation of Ronald Weinland. This story was picked up by other bloggers including Ambassador Watch and also by "Doctor Bob" Thiel who got it quite wrong in his blog post on the subject despite the facts I laid out in my blog post. This revelation was proven worthwhile as Weinland described someone using it as a reason to escape his grasp.

After that, web traffic slowed until the end of September with the restart of Weinland's second timeline on September 30th, the Feast of Trumpets. This was also the start of the timelines for other false prophets but with some variations from Ron's. In September I was also able to obtain a picture of both the Spokesman Witness and the Silent Witness which has since been displayed in the right-hand column of this blog.

October was taken up with the Feast of Tabernacles which included Weinland's admission to having a Swiss bank account as he globe trotted down-under.

In November, the Seventh Seal was reopened on the 14th just before the elders conference at the Murfreesboro (Nashville) Embassy Suites.

In December the False Prophet restarted his job on the 14th as the Spokesman Witness, ordaining Laura as a Prophetess and placing her just below him over the remainder of the church. The following Saturday, the 20th, he reimposed the death curse on me and other mockers to die from the inside, except this time speedily. The following Saturday, the 27th, he responded to my pointing out that "2008 God's Final Witness" stated that the US would not be an independent nation within 6 months of December 21. Weinland's response for the benefit of the deluded was that the book had changed because the timeline changed, even though back in July he had stated that nothing in the book had changed in spite of the timeline change.

January saw the inauguration of Barack Obama and the failure of another of Weinland's prophecies. The short post pointing this out received the most comments of any on this blog.

In February I was able to post the exchange between Weinland and now ex-member Mike Allen. He and another member, who were both mentioned by Weinland in sermons, left when they saw his backpedaling and the failures of his prophecies.

In March, Weinland started to take a break from prophecies. I did a bit of digging and found out a bit about how Weinland demonstrated his Total Resolve.

This past year has been an eye-opening experience for me. I've gotten more of an insight into the mind of a cult member. I've interacted with current followers, former followers, near followers, and some associated with Ron before he pushed himself as a prophet. To those I've helped in any way, that's why I do this. For those who let me know, thank you, and I hope for each one of you there are several who did not contact me But any of you whom I helped in any way took the critical first important step on your own -- you started questioning. To you and to those who are still following Ron (not God), I say "Question. Question always"


Deb said...

Mike - Happy Anniversary - I have been here with ya from the get-go - You are doing a great job in highlighting the truth - Thanx for all that you have done & continue to do - Deb

Anonymous said...

Speaking of "total commitment", what has Ron done exactly that shows his personal "total commitment"? I know he preaches and such and helps his sheeples etc... but what has been his "up and above" the normal "TOTAL COMMITMENT" where he sells his house, empties his personal bank account, etc... or is this only for the rank and file?


Dill Weed said...


I thought I was going to get to the end and you were going to say you were finished with Weinland. In the absences of that, I have to say (Yeah!) and that the best is yet to come!

Ron's gonna have to get out his carving knife and slice off the 51st slice of bologna.

This isn't likely to go down easy. I bet he's already sweating (tossing and turning at night) and trying out various theological escapes, but he's pretty much glued himself into the seat of a runaway train heading toward a brickwall.

He may end up preaching in a converted 7-11 to a very small, ignorant flock.

Dill Weed, here to the bitter end.

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

John: Check out my two "Ron's Total Resolve" posts from last month. IMHO, he regards demonstration of Total Resolve as something for the dumb sheeple to do, and not required of the Two Witnesses.

Dill Weed: I think most of the dumb sheeple think like Wayne does and are going to stick with him for quite awhile before he'll need to majorly revise his timeline -- he's set this one up so he can get some mileage out of it by tweaking it as he goes along. I've only heard from a couple of members (now ex-) who paid attention to his prophetic failures and revisions.

jack635 said...

I was thinking the same thing while reading Mike's latest post. I therefore prohibit Dr. Mike from resigning his tenure until Profit Weinland steps down.

As for Ron's Total Resolve, I believe he is one of those "worthy of double honour" preachers.

And of course my humble opinion on Ron tweaking his timeline:

His not preaching of late, and allowing some elders to temporarily speak for him, can mean he has taken some time off to explore various scenarios with the Silent Witness and come up with the best "truth" for when the sheep start grumbling and murmuring.
Or it could mean the golf course is open again.

Dill Weed said...

I second that Jack. I'm in it until the bitter end for RW!

Talk about painting yourself into a corner. I suspect RW will be considering revising the website when he revamps his timeline again serving the 51st slice of bologna.

A website full of public, presumptuous, pious, pontifications and prognotications propounded poundingly and powerfully (so)... will necessitate changing the website to reflect 'new truth'.

I ran out words beginning with p there at the end.

Dill Weed

Anonymous said...

How did you know ahead of time that Johnny Harell was giving the sermon today?

Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

DW & Jack: You guys are going to need stamina to stay in until the end. So long as Ronnie has his health and his freedom, he's going to be falsely prophesying. He'll somehow get out of this failed timeline along with most of his flock. Could be quite some time before the end comes.

Anon 5:09 -- I have my methods (mysterious wink).

Actually, Ronnie prophesied Harrell's sermon a week ago when he gave his last sermon. A true prophecy for a change :D

J said...

....and a great job you've done, Mike! Thanks so much for all the information you've collected in the past year.

I have a family member in this church, and this is my main stop for Weinland's weekly antics. However, I do greatly enjoy the insight of Dill Weed's and jack635's sites too.

Keep up the great investigative journalism here! Weinland's time runs short...

Whisper said...

"If" Rons book 2008 no longer carries the proper timeline.. and said book never carried the second time line... and if the trumpets and thunders are not going to sound in any order in the book... and predictions in the book already failed (fall of America I know has technically till May 28 but it would take time for all of America to fall into a non-country)... and finally if Rons interview predictions also failed (such as presidency in 2009) then the book 2008 is full of prophecy that have already not happened. Why is it still being toted on Rons & COG-PKG web sites as new adhereants who read it will be given proof AGAINST Ron & PKG? Should'nt Ron take the book off the site as it becomes a liability... or is Ron banking on the sheer stupidity of his sheeples?
Well in retrospect that was a stupid question...

:-) John

Dill Weed said...


Psst, that's the noose tightening around ole Ron's neck. You can bet he's starting to feel it, too. Soon, it will have the weight of a mill stone pulling him to the fate he has set up for himself.

Ron will have to try to explain it away or somehow distance himself from it. (Glee!) I really don't think he'll try a 51st slice of bologna, maybe a revelation from God on one of his vacations err... ministry tours. Stay tuned its only going to get better.

Dill Weed

Straight Angles said...


first time, long time. I laugh, scoff, wonder and appreciate all the information and commentry I regularily read on this site. Like Ron's avid followers to his demented sermons, I find myself hanging on every last word of your blog postings. Brilliant, thoughful and well researched. If this Weinland saga wasn't a real story, who could really believe it? The perfect script!

Mary said...

The final 3 1/2 years do not begin with the First Trumpet, but rather with the Fifth Trumpet !!
Ron Weinland claims that the last 3 1/2 years of man's rule on earth began with the First Trumpet, on December 14, 2008, and will end May 2012, at Pentecost.
Revelation 13:5 states that the "Beast" (The Revived Roman Empire) will have power for 42 months (3 1/2 years) concurrent with the Two Witnesses, who will prophesy for 1260 days (3 1/2 years).
The "Beast's" Power, according to Rev. 9:1-11 and Rev.17:8, will begin at the sounding of the Fifth Trumpet. Mr. Weinland agrees with this Chronology in his book, "2008..." , page121.
At the Fifth Trumpet, the 3 1/2 years begin.


Mike (Don't Drink the Flavor Aid) said...

Actually, according to the sequence of their description in Revelation, the 1260 Days are during the 6th trumpet.

See my post All The Sevens .....