This week False Prophet Ronald Weinland took his false prophecy show on the road. On Saturday (May 31) he was in Forsyth, Georgia.
One bright spot in this week's sermon: no baptisms were announced. Instead, he spent the announcement time discussing marathons, actual marathons and not spiritual ones. Let's hope that no more fish are biting on his Google Adwords.
He continued with the fifth chapter of his book "2008 GFW" at the point where he left off. Meaning that he didn't back up and cover the pages he skipped last week.
The audio file for the May 31 sermon may be downloaded here. It includes a few minutes before Weinland's show begins. The times given in the discussion that follows correspond to the locations in this file. If you download the sermon from the COG-PKG website later on it will have at minimum the opening and closing prayers removed, and the timestamps won't match.
At 47:35 reading the following from page 123 of "2008 GFW" about the Fifth Trumpet:
"(5) the protection of God’s elect and the torment and trying (testing) of those who have refused to repent in the environs of God’s scattered Church. he goes on to comment, and made the following statement.
48:23 "There are certain thunders that will not take place until that period of time, and yet people have been waiting for certain thunders to take place."
From the context, he must have been referring to the Fifth Thunder, which hasn't yet sounded despite this statement on page 115:
"During the Sixth Seal, all Seven Thunders will be getting progressively louder. Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth."
52:13 Addresses critics: could care less... refers to his crisis on Monday several weeks ago.
I think his crisis was sanity trying to break free, unsuccessfully so.
At 54:40, he repeats his contradiction from last week about the training of those sealed ".. just because the sealing takes place doesn't mean that there's not a lot of training and a lot of molding and fashioning that's still taking place ..."
55:10 "... I can give you a road map right now... for the next several months.... but I can't."
62:59 fifth trumpet could be two years later than April 17 (2010)
67:02 "If what I say weren't to come pass and I was a false prophet -- What a blessing that would be.... some of you yo-yos who like to attack and distort and twist things... And by the way I want to mention that your progression of I said would start on you is already progressing more and some of you already know it. I know of one individual specifically here not too long ago -- a little worried about their health There are several of you out there that should be worried about your health. You think it's just coincidence??? Amazing."
Ron, if you want to see the person who's doing the most distorting and twisting of your word, go look in the mirror. We're just pointing out the distorting and twisting that you're doing, and the contradictions between your book and what you're saying now. Also between your book and reality.
And you can get away with it, because as Seeker of Truth points out, your critics are more familiar with your writings than your own followers.
As far as my health, I feel just as well as I did before the minor false prophet laid his bogus curse on me a month and a half ago. And I imagine that all the bloggers I link are doing well too. Given the failures of your prophecies so far, Ron, mocking and criticizing you is a life-extender.
Next week, Ron's False Prophecy Road Show is in Orlando, FL for Pentecost. Those familiar with the false prophet's blather understand the significance of next weekend.
Saturday, May 31, 2008
Wednesday, May 28, 2008
Ron Weinland Contradicts Himself in Less than 30 Minutes of Non Silence
Something was nagging me in the back of my mind about last Saturday's non-sermon. I reviewed the audio that I recorded and here's what I found at the timestamps in the file:
At about 74:15:
"Just because there's been a sealing that's taken place even for those who're going to be part of the great resurrection here, doesn't mean that your training is over ....
At about 103:20 (reading from "2008 GFW", middle of page 115):
"The final sequence of events that leads up to the opening of the Seventh Seal needs to be briefly reviewed. By the time this final seal is opened, all 144,000 whom God has called over six millennia will be fully trained to rule in His Kingdom. This Kingdom will be established when Jesus Christ returns with the 144,000 on the last day of the final three and one-half years of man’s self-rule. The remaining few, who were yet to be added to this total count of 144,000, and are alive at this end-time, will be sealed (completed their training) by the time this last seal is opened. This final sealing will occur during the time of the Sixth Seal.
From the COG-PKG website "The sealing of the 144,000 that will make up the Government of God at Christ's return in 2011 took place on the 2nd of February, 2008"
Let's review. The 144,000 which includes members of COG-PKG were sealed on Feb 2, 2008 and at that time were fully trained. But somehow less than 4 months later they need further training.
A minor point to be sure relative to Ron's failed prophecies. But it does illustrate that the false prophet is making it up as he goes along and having trouble keeping his lies straight.
At about 74:15:
"Just because there's been a sealing that's taken place even for those who're going to be part of the great resurrection here, doesn't mean that your training is over ....
At about 103:20 (reading from "2008 GFW", middle of page 115):
"The final sequence of events that leads up to the opening of the Seventh Seal needs to be briefly reviewed. By the time this final seal is opened, all 144,000 whom God has called over six millennia will be fully trained to rule in His Kingdom. This Kingdom will be established when Jesus Christ returns with the 144,000 on the last day of the final three and one-half years of man’s self-rule. The remaining few, who were yet to be added to this total count of 144,000, and are alive at this end-time, will be sealed (completed their training) by the time this last seal is opened. This final sealing will occur during the time of the Sixth Seal.
From the COG-PKG website "The sealing of the 144,000 that will make up the Government of God at Christ's return in 2011 took place on the 2nd of February, 2008"
Let's review. The 144,000 which includes members of COG-PKG were sealed on Feb 2, 2008 and at that time were fully trained. But somehow less than 4 months later they need further training.
A minor point to be sure relative to Ron's failed prophecies. But it does illustrate that the false prophet is making it up as he goes along and having trouble keeping his lies straight.
Sunday, May 25, 2008
Another Sevens: The Seven Minutes of Terror
Taking a break from the melodrama of Weinland's meltdown, here's another Seven to consider, the Seven Minutes of Terror. Turns out that the Mars lander made it down OK. Let's all keep our fingers crossed and hope the lander completes its mission successfully, expanding our knowledge of the solar system.
Ron Weinland in Damage Control Mode
Last week Ron was mistaken about finishing his book "2008 GFW" because he'd missed covering chapter 5, "The Final Three & One-Half Years". So he started into that chapter, but actually spent most of the "sermon" in damage control mode. It seems that his members are reading blogs on the Internet and getting pressure from relatives. Weinland Watch has a post summarizing Robert Lifton's book on thought reform which is interesting reading.
He reiterated his theories about the Roman Catholic Church and aliens. He criticizes a few who have left his flock as having only joined out of fear. But fear is what he's selling, with Google Adwords such as "stock market crash" (click on the link and see if Google doesn't serve up a sponsored link for the-end.com, also read the headline for the link).
He went on to criticize the critics on the Internet as perverts distorting facts, and that Johnny Harrell and Wayne Matthews had been unfairly attacked. The only discussion I've ever read about his "evangelists" was written in a clearly speculative tone, seeking information, and providing updates as they came along. If there's anything else out there on this subject, please point me to it.
To those Weinland followers who are reading this blog I say: don't believe everything you read here and on other blogs or forums-- check it out for yourself. I'll also say that you should hold us AND Weinland to the same credibility standards. If a critic points out a contradiction in Weinland's statements, read it from the original for yourself and evaluate it critically. And if Ron tells you something, you should evaluate it critically and see if it's really true -- is it supported by other facts?
When he read the part from his book about the pronounced Seven Thunders he said that only the members are able to see the truth. He pointed to the current economic difficulties. Sure there are problems, but it's a little after April 17th and my dollars will still buy food.
Toward the end of the "sermon", he moved the First Trumpet out to overlap the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. He also made a statement about nukes by the end of July. So he's moving the goal post yet again.
While reading the book he reached the bottom of page 115. After an aside, he resumed reading from his book at the bottom of page 117. This allowed him to avoid addressing this statement. "Also, by this moment in time, there will be a strong, rapidly growing recognition within the United States that I am who I say I am—one of God’s end-time witnesses and His prophet." And this one: "The First Trumpet blast will occur quickly after the Seventh Seal
of Revelation is opened by Jesus Christ." I wonder if the False Prophet will back up next week and cover this material.
There is a recording of the Internet feed from yesterday available for download here. It includes a few minutes before the sermon starts. It also includes the opening and closing prayers and a 15-second gap that don't show up in the version now available for download from the COG-PKG site. I have a few notes from the sermon with approximate timestamps (some players such as Windows Media Player may not show the current time.)
5:45 opening prayer by (garbled name)
6:30 prays that Internet run smoothly (Guess we need Ron to give the prayer to make it stick)
8:07 6 baptisms
8:25 Prophesied End Time book available for order
9:30 Jeremy got married, moving to Germany, Ron giving reception at his house
12:20 Final 3 1/2 Years Pt. 1
27:50 RCC & the Aliens
28:50 Interview with Australian TV in August
31:00 People will be scared spitless
49:00 People joined due to fear, people have left
65:20 next phase of first trumpet
69:50 2nd trumpet end of July, repeats March 29 promise
71:30 spiritual
72:15 RW feels your pain
93:45 Ron would throw himself on mercy seat of god, and seek repentence
94:00 PKG would continue, Johnny & Wayne would be busy running the church
95:20 Criticises his mockers, HWA still hated 22 years later
96:08 lost audio for about 15 seconds
97:05 somebody criticized Harrell, distorted lies, big fat liars
97:45 looking for info on Wayne
98:3 followers special
98:55 letter from follower to brother
99:40 HWA still hated 22 years later, trying to immunize people against criticism on the internet
101:10 critics are perverts distorting facts
102:3 sick sick sick minds of critics
103:15 resumes reading from page 115, middle of page
104:10 "Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth."
only members can see the truth, mentions economy
107:3 people want to be able to commit adultery, people occupied with sex
116:1 skips ahead in book to bottom of page 117, extends First Trumpet into other trumpets
118.2 1st trumpet progressively revealed
(and a follow-on post about a contradiction)
He reiterated his theories about the Roman Catholic Church and aliens. He criticizes a few who have left his flock as having only joined out of fear. But fear is what he's selling, with Google Adwords such as "stock market crash" (click on the link and see if Google doesn't serve up a sponsored link for the-end.com, also read the headline for the link).
He went on to criticize the critics on the Internet as perverts distorting facts, and that Johnny Harrell and Wayne Matthews had been unfairly attacked. The only discussion I've ever read about his "evangelists" was written in a clearly speculative tone, seeking information, and providing updates as they came along. If there's anything else out there on this subject, please point me to it.
To those Weinland followers who are reading this blog I say: don't believe everything you read here and on other blogs or forums-- check it out for yourself. I'll also say that you should hold us AND Weinland to the same credibility standards. If a critic points out a contradiction in Weinland's statements, read it from the original for yourself and evaluate it critically. And if Ron tells you something, you should evaluate it critically and see if it's really true -- is it supported by other facts?
When he read the part from his book about the pronounced Seven Thunders he said that only the members are able to see the truth. He pointed to the current economic difficulties. Sure there are problems, but it's a little after April 17th and my dollars will still buy food.
Toward the end of the "sermon", he moved the First Trumpet out to overlap the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. He also made a statement about nukes by the end of July. So he's moving the goal post yet again.
While reading the book he reached the bottom of page 115. After an aside, he resumed reading from his book at the bottom of page 117. This allowed him to avoid addressing this statement. "Also, by this moment in time, there will be a strong, rapidly growing recognition within the United States that I am who I say I am—one of God’s end-time witnesses and His prophet." And this one: "The First Trumpet blast will occur quickly after the Seventh Seal
of Revelation is opened by Jesus Christ." I wonder if the False Prophet will back up next week and cover this material.
There is a recording of the Internet feed from yesterday available for download here. It includes a few minutes before the sermon starts. It also includes the opening and closing prayers and a 15-second gap that don't show up in the version now available for download from the COG-PKG site. I have a few notes from the sermon with approximate timestamps (some players such as Windows Media Player may not show the current time.)
5:45 opening prayer by (garbled name)
6:30 prays that Internet run smoothly (Guess we need Ron to give the prayer to make it stick)
8:07 6 baptisms
8:25 Prophesied End Time book available for order
9:30 Jeremy got married, moving to Germany, Ron giving reception at his house
12:20 Final 3 1/2 Years Pt. 1
27:50 RCC & the Aliens
28:50 Interview with Australian TV in August
31:00 People will be scared spitless
49:00 People joined due to fear, people have left
65:20 next phase of first trumpet
69:50 2nd trumpet end of July, repeats March 29 promise
71:30 spiritual
72:15 RW feels your pain
93:45 Ron would throw himself on mercy seat of god, and seek repentence
94:00 PKG would continue, Johnny & Wayne would be busy running the church
95:20 Criticises his mockers, HWA still hated 22 years later
96:08 lost audio for about 15 seconds
97:05 somebody criticized Harrell, distorted lies, big fat liars
97:45 looking for info on Wayne
98:3 followers special
98:55 letter from follower to brother
99:40 HWA still hated 22 years later, trying to immunize people against criticism on the internet
101:10 critics are perverts distorting facts
102:3 sick sick sick minds of critics
103:15 resumes reading from page 115, middle of page
104:10 "Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth."
only members can see the truth, mentions economy
107:3 people want to be able to commit adultery, people occupied with sex
116:1 skips ahead in book to bottom of page 117, extends First Trumpet into other trumpets
118.2 1st trumpet progressively revealed
(and a follow-on post about a contradiction)
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
All the Sevens, Ron Weinland's Timeline Vs Revelation's Sequence
I'm not an eschatologist, and am not motivated to do an in depth study of the book of Revelation. I must have managed to zone out during the WCG sermons I was required to attend before I came of age and didn't have to endure them any longer, because I didn't remember all the various "Sevens".
I took a quick read through Revelation. I've outlined it below in the sequence that it's presented, and without explanation of the symbology. An outline is useful because of all the "sevens" to track and sevens of one thing are nested within sevens of another thing with up to two levels of nesting. Here goes:
Weinland on the other hand says that he became one of the Two Witnesses and Spokesman for Both when the First Trumpet sounded on April 17. (Actually he's been prophesying before that and has done more of that before April 17th than he has since.) The Seven Thunders have been moved from the 6th trumpet of 7th seal to the 6th Seal. The 1260 days of the Two Witnesses have been moved from within the 6th Trumpet to parallel the first 6 trumpets. If the Two Witnesses were to testify throughout the blowing of the seven trumpets, Revelation should have mentioned them before the trumpets, and not wait until after the 6th trumpet is described before mentioning them.
The false prophet should read Revelation 22: 18-19:
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." At a minimum, Weinland's definition of the Thunders that turned out to be silent were an addition to the book of Revelation.
I'm not interested in hearing a bunch of theories explaining how Revelation does not present the events in chronological sequence, and how one event in one chapter is the same event described in another chapter. The bible is the most versatile book ever written, it can be read to support any position you want.
I took a quick read through Revelation. I've outlined it below in the sequence that it's presented, and without explanation of the symbology. An outline is useful because of all the "sevens" to track and sevens of one thing are nested within sevens of another thing with up to two levels of nesting. Here goes:
1st Seal, White Horse
2nd Seal, Red Horse incites wars
3rd Seal, Black Horse
4th Seal, Pale Horse ridden by Death, kills 1/4th of the earth
5th Seal, Martyrs told to wait longer for justice
6th Seal A great earthquake, sun turns black,144,00 are sealed (Feb 2 according to Ron)
7th Seal (March 18th according to Ron)
Silence for about ½ hour
1st Trumpet, hail and fire mixed with blood, burns 1/3 of the earth and trees, also all the green grass (April 17th according to Ron)
2nd Trumpet, 1/3rd of the sea turned to blood
3rd Trumpet, 1/3rd of the water turned bitter
4th Trumpet, 1/3rd of the sun, moon, and stars turned dark
5th Trumpet (1st Woe) Locusts with stings like scorpions
6th Trumpet (2nd Woe)
4 Angels kill 1/3rd of mankind
7 Unwritten Thunders (until Weinland)
2 Witnesses prophesy for 1260 days
2 Witnesses lie dead for 3 ½ days (according to Weinland this is part of the 1260 days)
2 Witnesses resurrected, severe earthquake (Sept 29, 2011 per Weinland)
7th Trumpet (3rd Woe)
Pregnant woman gives birth, hides for 1260 days (according to Weinland all 7th Trumpet events happen on one day)
Beast with 7 heads & 10 horns rules for 42 months (could be included within the 1260 days that the woman hides)
Seven Final Plagues
1st angel with 1st plague in 1st vial, painful sores
2nd angel with 2nd plague in 2nd vial, all sea life dies
3rd angel with 3rd plague in 3rd vial, water turned to blood
4th angel with 4th plague in 4th vial, sun intensifies
5th angel with 5th plague in 5th vial, sun darkens
6th angel with 6th plague in 6th vial, drought
7th angel with 7th plague in 7th vial
Satan Bound for 1000 years, Millennium, etc, etc.
Weinland on the other hand says that he became one of the Two Witnesses and Spokesman for Both when the First Trumpet sounded on April 17. (Actually he's been prophesying before that and has done more of that before April 17th than he has since.) The Seven Thunders have been moved from the 6th trumpet of 7th seal to the 6th Seal. The 1260 days of the Two Witnesses have been moved from within the 6th Trumpet to parallel the first 6 trumpets. If the Two Witnesses were to testify throughout the blowing of the seven trumpets, Revelation should have mentioned them before the trumpets, and not wait until after the 6th trumpet is described before mentioning them.
The false prophet should read Revelation 22: 18-19:
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." At a minimum, Weinland's definition of the Thunders that turned out to be silent were an addition to the book of Revelation.
I'm not interested in hearing a bunch of theories explaining how Revelation does not present the events in chronological sequence, and how one event in one chapter is the same event described in another chapter. The bible is the most versatile book ever written, it can be read to support any position you want.
Saturday, May 17, 2008
Ron Weinland Finishes "2008 God's Final Witness"
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An in-depth review of "2008 -- God's Final Witness" is located at this link.
Still interested in Weinland? Please be sure to check out these other posts on this blog:
False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Los Angeles today. He spent most of the sermon finishing up the last few pages of his book "2008 God's Final Witness". At one point he got lost reading from his own book, and restarted after instructing his son to edit out that part.
During the announcement period he mentioned 13 baptisms, and later commented on the number of people in their teens and 20s being attracted. I suspect it's disaffected youth being hooked by Google Ad words such as "stock market crash".
He made much of the Vatican astronomer Jose Funes who stated in an interview that belief in aliens is not incompatible with Catholicism as evidence that the pope is being influenced. He tied this in with the British release of UFO data and an interview on Larry King. Has anyone seen that the pope has endorsed this? (Weinland Watch has a post with more details on the RCC and aliens.) Any other news from the Vatican that Ron could have used?
He talked briefly about the events in China and Myanmar, and how people don't recognize the significance. (Another take on this point here.) Also that people who point out that the dollar is not worthless are economic morons. He repeated his assertion that a new president will not take office next January, even if the election is possible. Seems that he may not have turned on the autoresponder as these came via email. Maybe the traffic isn't so huge to handle after all.
His explanation for the loss of the Internet audio feed last week was storms in Missouri, or possibly static electricity. But too make sure there was no problem today, he gave the prayer this week to ask god to make sure there were no problems.
He mentioned that he is considering an interview with the History Channel. I doubt that they'll devote an entire program to his wacky notions, but probably will use a few sound bites in a program about false prophets through history.
Next week Ron plans to go through the James Whale interview, seems some are having issues with it. Hmm. A bit of dissention in the ranks?
And still nothing from the Silent Witness Laura Weinland, or any indication when we might see blood in downtown Cincinnati's Fountain Square.
(Turns out that the false prophet had not finished "2008 GFW" after all, having skipped Chapter 5. So the following Saturday he started Chapter 5 along with some damage control)
An in-depth review of "2008 -- God's Final Witness" is located at this link.
Still interested in Weinland? Please be sure to check out these other posts on this blog:
- False Prophet Ronald Weinland Resets his Timeline.
- The lifestyle of a False Prophet.
- The IRS is interested in the finances of a False Prophet.
- Future travel plans of a False Prophet.
- Ron's Total Resolve
- Ron's Total Resolve, Part 2
- Ronald Weinland's Thunders of Revelation 10: First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh.
False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Los Angeles today. He spent most of the sermon finishing up the last few pages of his book "2008 God's Final Witness". At one point he got lost reading from his own book, and restarted after instructing his son to edit out that part.
During the announcement period he mentioned 13 baptisms, and later commented on the number of people in their teens and 20s being attracted. I suspect it's disaffected youth being hooked by Google Ad words such as "stock market crash".
He made much of the Vatican astronomer Jose Funes who stated in an interview that belief in aliens is not incompatible with Catholicism as evidence that the pope is being influenced. He tied this in with the British release of UFO data and an interview on Larry King. Has anyone seen that the pope has endorsed this? (Weinland Watch has a post with more details on the RCC and aliens.) Any other news from the Vatican that Ron could have used?
He talked briefly about the events in China and Myanmar, and how people don't recognize the significance. (Another take on this point here.) Also that people who point out that the dollar is not worthless are economic morons. He repeated his assertion that a new president will not take office next January, even if the election is possible. Seems that he may not have turned on the autoresponder as these came via email. Maybe the traffic isn't so huge to handle after all.
His explanation for the loss of the Internet audio feed last week was storms in Missouri, or possibly static electricity. But too make sure there was no problem today, he gave the prayer this week to ask god to make sure there were no problems.
He mentioned that he is considering an interview with the History Channel. I doubt that they'll devote an entire program to his wacky notions, but probably will use a few sound bites in a program about false prophets through history.
Next week Ron plans to go through the James Whale interview, seems some are having issues with it. Hmm. A bit of dissention in the ranks?
And still nothing from the Silent Witness Laura Weinland, or any indication when we might see blood in downtown Cincinnati's Fountain Square.
(Turns out that the false prophet had not finished "2008 GFW" after all, having skipped Chapter 5. So the following Saturday he started Chapter 5 along with some damage control)
Monday, May 12, 2008
A Plague on the Internet Bedevils Ron Weinland
(Click here for a post on the following week's sermon including his explanation for the loss of the Internet feed.)
Ron was in Columbia, MO last Saturday (May 10) and was about 10 minutes late getting started. Apparently some of his flock had problems connecting to the Internet feed, but all of the demons who cared to listen had no problems connecting. It was rather funny listening to Weinland attempting to give technical support advice, he's no better at that than he is at providing accurate prophesies.
About an hour and forty minutes after he started the Internet feed was lost to demons and non-demons alike. That was particularly ironic because during the opening prayer God was asked to watch over the Internet hookup.
One piece of disturbing news was the recent baptism of 17 people. Apparently there are still some fish to be caught despite the failed prophecies. Also he claims that only three people have asked for refunds as he promised last week, all of them ex-members. Probably anyone who did would be an ex-member if they weren't before.
At one point the False Prophet yells at the "crazies" listening to him. He went on to characterize the "crazies" as disgruntled disfellowshipped ex-members who are eaten up inside, who should go out and get a life. Ron, I'm not eaten up inside, not from that nor from your death curse on me. For the record, none of the blogging critics are ex-members of COG-PKG, the closest is Truth Seeker at As Bereans Did. Truth Seeker says that he listened to Ron for awhile but then rejected him for other false teaching. The closest generalization to his blogging critics is that we all have a WCG background of some sort who recognize Ron as a particularly toxic mini-Herb. Ron, before you bandy about words like "crazies" when referring to others, read Matthew 7:3.
The rest of his sermon was reading from the last chapter of his book, part 6, and he's not done yet. At one point he used the word "uniplural". Somehow I'd never heard this oxymoronic term before, if it was mentioned during the sermons I was forced to attend I had managed to zone out during that time. The first thing that came to mind was a guy named Legion -- no, don't post a comment explaining the difference to me -- that really is what I thought at the time.
No new prophecies this week, but then he hasn't had any since he started his job as the Spokesman Witness. Nor did we hear from Silent Witness Laura Weinland.
Ron was in Columbia, MO last Saturday (May 10) and was about 10 minutes late getting started. Apparently some of his flock had problems connecting to the Internet feed, but all of the demons who cared to listen had no problems connecting. It was rather funny listening to Weinland attempting to give technical support advice, he's no better at that than he is at providing accurate prophesies.
About an hour and forty minutes after he started the Internet feed was lost to demons and non-demons alike. That was particularly ironic because during the opening prayer God was asked to watch over the Internet hookup.
One piece of disturbing news was the recent baptism of 17 people. Apparently there are still some fish to be caught despite the failed prophecies. Also he claims that only three people have asked for refunds as he promised last week, all of them ex-members. Probably anyone who did would be an ex-member if they weren't before.
At one point the False Prophet yells at the "crazies" listening to him. He went on to characterize the "crazies" as disgruntled disfellowshipped ex-members who are eaten up inside, who should go out and get a life. Ron, I'm not eaten up inside, not from that nor from your death curse on me. For the record, none of the blogging critics are ex-members of COG-PKG, the closest is Truth Seeker at As Bereans Did. Truth Seeker says that he listened to Ron for awhile but then rejected him for other false teaching. The closest generalization to his blogging critics is that we all have a WCG background of some sort who recognize Ron as a particularly toxic mini-Herb. Ron, before you bandy about words like "crazies" when referring to others, read Matthew 7:3.
The rest of his sermon was reading from the last chapter of his book, part 6, and he's not done yet. At one point he used the word "uniplural". Somehow I'd never heard this oxymoronic term before, if it was mentioned during the sermons I was forced to attend I had managed to zone out during that time. The first thing that came to mind was a guy named Legion -- no, don't post a comment explaining the difference to me -- that really is what I thought at the time.
No new prophecies this week, but then he hasn't had any since he started his job as the Spokesman Witness. Nor did we hear from Silent Witness Laura Weinland.
Friday, May 9, 2008
Laura Weinland, It's Time to Step Up to the Plate
Laura Weinland, we haven't heard from you. Hence your moniker of "Silent Witness". Nor have we heard much about you. Googling "Laura Weinland" turns up only a few web sites that mention your name. One is your husband's blog, and the authors of all the other sites are on your husband's death list for criticizing him. Moreover, your husband's blog isn't the first search result listed.
In last Saturday's sermon, your husband described how you quoted scriptures and what-if scenarios to him to bolster his confidence that he is indeed one of the two end-time witnesses, and Spokesman for both.
I'm wondering why you had to chose talking to convince him when other means are available to you that would convince not only him but even more people besides. In Revelation 11:6 (talking about the two witnesses) it says: These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. And in your husband's book "2008 -- God's Final Witness" on page 89 he emphasized this: "They, too, will be able to turn the waters to blood. They will be able to close up the heavens so that it will not rain on any area they choose. They will have power to call all manner of plagues upon any part of the earth as often as they choose." And his words couch this in literal, not symbolic terms. So YOU have awesome powers. It should be truly incredible to understand that.
Laura, I'll assume that you're a nice person -- after all I haven't heard you issue a death threat against me the way your husband did -- and I'll therefore also assume that you'd be reluctant to call down a plague. But turning water into blood would be less damaging and should be effective enough for this purpose.
It's time to shed your anonymity and gain the recognition that you are entitled to as one of the two end-time witnesses. Here's what you do. Issue a press release to all the local media in Cincinnati with a prophesy. Prophesy that you'll turn all the water in the fountain in downtown Cincinnati's Fountain Square into blood. Send copies of the press release via Federal Express so they'll have to actually sign for it. After they've all had time to receive the press release (by 10 AM) but before their trash is emptied in the evening, actually turn the water in the fountain to blood. After that, make sure that each media outlet retrieves their copy of your press release from their trash so that you get credit. The most effective time would be high noon when the office workers are on their lunch break to witness it for themselves. And if you manage it right, you wouldn't have to actually speak -- the Spokesman Witness should be on hand to do that for you. After all that's his job, right? He'd have the rest of the afternoon to interview with all of the local television stations to make the evening news -- finally he'd actually have a television interview instead of just being entertainment on a talk radio show. And who knows, maybe even a national network would pick it up as well. This might even extend into coverage from ABC's "Nightline" later that night and all the network morning news shows of the following day.
Laura, you could repeat this feat in each of the cities you're planning to visit from now through Pentecost. What better way to gain and enforce recognition that you are one of God's End Time Witnesses? And your husband could cancel that silly yet expensive Google Adwords campaign that's ineffective except for attracting disaffected people with a doomer mindset. Laura, it's time to do your job and take the Two Witnesses mainstream -- bring your message to the entire world, and do it without expending a lot of money. Laura utilize your powers effectively.
And Laura, if you're not able to do this, then the next time your Spokesman Witness has a crisis of confidence, then you should urge him to repent. Urge him to throw himself on the mercy seat of god for in Revelation 22:18 it says "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." All of your husband's Seven Silent Thunders were additions to the book of Revelation. Will you be held equally accountable even though you haven't spoken publicly? Laura, it's time to do the right thing.
In last Saturday's sermon, your husband described how you quoted scriptures and what-if scenarios to him to bolster his confidence that he is indeed one of the two end-time witnesses, and Spokesman for both.
I'm wondering why you had to chose talking to convince him when other means are available to you that would convince not only him but even more people besides. In Revelation 11:6 (talking about the two witnesses) it says: These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. And in your husband's book "2008 -- God's Final Witness" on page 89 he emphasized this: "They, too, will be able to turn the waters to blood. They will be able to close up the heavens so that it will not rain on any area they choose. They will have power to call all manner of plagues upon any part of the earth as often as they choose." And his words couch this in literal, not symbolic terms. So YOU have awesome powers. It should be truly incredible to understand that.Laura, I'll assume that you're a nice person -- after all I haven't heard you issue a death threat against me the way your husband did -- and I'll therefore also assume that you'd be reluctant to call down a plague. But turning water into blood would be less damaging and should be effective enough for this purpose.
It's time to shed your anonymity and gain the recognition that you are entitled to as one of the two end-time witnesses. Here's what you do. Issue a press release to all the local media in Cincinnati with a prophesy. Prophesy that you'll turn all the water in the fountain in downtown Cincinnati's Fountain Square into blood. Send copies of the press release via Federal Express so they'll have to actually sign for it. After they've all had time to receive the press release (by 10 AM) but before their trash is emptied in the evening, actually turn the water in the fountain to blood. After that, make sure that each media outlet retrieves their copy of your press release from their trash so that you get credit. The most effective time would be high noon when the office workers are on their lunch break to witness it for themselves. And if you manage it right, you wouldn't have to actually speak -- the Spokesman Witness should be on hand to do that for you. After all that's his job, right? He'd have the rest of the afternoon to interview with all of the local television stations to make the evening news -- finally he'd actually have a television interview instead of just being entertainment on a talk radio show. And who knows, maybe even a national network would pick it up as well. This might even extend into coverage from ABC's "Nightline" later that night and all the network morning news shows of the following day.
Laura, you could repeat this feat in each of the cities you're planning to visit from now through Pentecost. What better way to gain and enforce recognition that you are one of God's End Time Witnesses? And your husband could cancel that silly yet expensive Google Adwords campaign that's ineffective except for attracting disaffected people with a doomer mindset. Laura, it's time to do your job and take the Two Witnesses mainstream -- bring your message to the entire world, and do it without expending a lot of money. Laura utilize your powers effectively.
And Laura, if you're not able to do this, then the next time your Spokesman Witness has a crisis of confidence, then you should urge him to repent. Urge him to throw himself on the mercy seat of god for in Revelation 22:18 it says "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." All of your husband's Seven Silent Thunders were additions to the book of Revelation. Will you be held equally accountable even though you haven't spoken publicly? Laura, it's time to do the right thing.
Thursday, May 8, 2008
Look's Like Ron's Going to Continue the Charade
A new set of posts appeared today on the blog of False Prophet Ronald Weinland: (my comments in [bold])
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May 8, 2008 Laura and I are going to resume making Sabbath visits for as long as we are able to do so. Before the Passover season, it was not yet clear whether we would be able to continue this program, but now it is evident we will have some more time to make such visits. [Amazingly some people are still following wRONg despite the complete failures of his prophecies to this point (besides that mocking thing).] Generally we are not going to make such plans very far in advance for the U.S., and from time to time we may have to make last minute changes. [Ya never know -- the wheels could come off wRONg's delusions/con at any moment, so he'll have to see how long he can play the game.]
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Over the coming months, planning visits to specific areas will become more difficult as destructive events strike in different locations. As we look to God to lead us in our planning, we are going to continue sending elders to locations where growing numbers of people are seeking baptism and fellowship with God’s Church. [So the false profit's Google Adwords campaign is still hooking a few suckers who may have 401(k) plans to plunder. Do the growing number of people being sucked into his fantasy exceed those who are coming to their senses and leaving? What is his turnover rate?] We are going to focus on serving those whom God is calling as long as we are able to accomplish such work. [If they're still paying tithes, he's going to cultivate them so they continue to produce.] and as we move forward through the Four Trumpets that will sound first, we will have to be very flexible in how this is accomplished. [He's continuing to move the emphasis to the Fifth Trumpet.]
As God reveals the work His two witnesses are to accomplish, we will keep you posted in as timely fashion as we are able. [After he reads today's headlines, he'll put something up on his blog if he can figure out how that darn Internet thingy works. Every 3 weeks or so that is, which is enough to fulfill the scripture that both witnesses prophesy daily] God has not yet revealed all that we are to accomplish or the areas in which such things will be done. [Gotta give him a chance. After all, ya can't read tomorrow's paper until tomorrow, right?] That will be a progressive revelation to His two end-time witness, whose job formally begins on April 17th.
May 10 Columbia, MO
May 17 Los Angeles, CA
May 31 Forsythe, GA
June 7 & 8 Orlando, FL [The date and place at which Ron will not be true to his word.]
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Interesting that his post was dated May 8 even though it was still the 7th throughout the US when I saw it.
So, surprise -- he's not ready to repent, and truly wear the sackcloth of humility. How long will it be before wRONg relents and admits he's a false prophet? How long before he let's his people go?
Probably in October of 2011 he'll still be grasping at straws. Christ's return will have been spiritual. And well before that we'll have spiritual "nukular" explosions in US cities.
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May 8, 2008 Laura and I are going to resume making Sabbath visits for as long as we are able to do so. Before the Passover season, it was not yet clear whether we would be able to continue this program, but now it is evident we will have some more time to make such visits. [Amazingly some people are still following wRONg despite the complete failures of his prophecies to this point (besides that mocking thing).] Generally we are not going to make such plans very far in advance for the U.S., and from time to time we may have to make last minute changes. [Ya never know -- the wheels could come off wRONg's delusions/con at any moment, so he'll have to see how long he can play the game.]
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Over the coming months, planning visits to specific areas will become more difficult as destructive events strike in different locations. As we look to God to lead us in our planning, we are going to continue sending elders to locations where growing numbers of people are seeking baptism and fellowship with God’s Church. [So the false profit's Google Adwords campaign is still hooking a few suckers who may have 401(k) plans to plunder. Do the growing number of people being sucked into his fantasy exceed those who are coming to their senses and leaving? What is his turnover rate?] We are going to focus on serving those whom God is calling as long as we are able to accomplish such work. [If they're still paying tithes, he's going to cultivate them so they continue to produce.] and as we move forward through the Four Trumpets that will sound first, we will have to be very flexible in how this is accomplished. [He's continuing to move the emphasis to the Fifth Trumpet.]
As God reveals the work His two witnesses are to accomplish, we will keep you posted in as timely fashion as we are able. [After he reads today's headlines, he'll put something up on his blog if he can figure out how that darn Internet thingy works. Every 3 weeks or so that is, which is enough to fulfill the scripture that both witnesses prophesy daily] God has not yet revealed all that we are to accomplish or the areas in which such things will be done. [Gotta give him a chance. After all, ya can't read tomorrow's paper until tomorrow, right?] That will be a progressive revelation to His two end-time witness, whose job formally begins on April 17th.
May 10 Columbia, MO
May 17 Los Angeles, CA
May 31 Forsythe, GA
June 7 & 8 Orlando, FL [The date and place at which Ron will not be true to his word.]
< /quoted nonsense with comments >
Interesting that his post was dated May 8 even though it was still the 7th throughout the US when I saw it.
So, surprise -- he's not ready to repent, and truly wear the sackcloth of humility. How long will it be before wRONg relents and admits he's a false prophet? How long before he let's his people go?
Probably in October of 2011 he'll still be grasping at straws. Christ's return will have been spiritual. And well before that we'll have spiritual "nukular" explosions in US cities.
Monday, May 5, 2008
Ron Weinland, It's Time
Ron, in your sermon Saturday you said "But, I have been able to learn by going back and reading some things in the book. Because, when God inspires things, when God gives things, we can learn from that and there are some things that I've written that I candidly haven't fully understood."
So, Ron, learn some more by going back to your book "2008 GFW" and turning to page 108 where you wrote "How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!"
And Ron, what was this test that you defined? Turn back to the bottom of page 107 and read "The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God." Ron, you know who these specific individuals are even if some of your flock recruited via the Internet from the younger set without a Church of God background do not.
Ron, have all of these individuals died? In fact have any of them? No, Rod Meredith, Gerald Flurry, David Pack, and John Ritenbaugh are all still alive. Ron don't tell us that these specific individuals are "gonna die in the Great Tribulation". Ron, you specifically called for their deaths in the first phase of the fifth thunder, that is they were to occur well before the seventh seal allegedly opened on March 18. These are not part of the rank and file ministers you prophesied to die in the great tribulation. Ron, don't attempt to spiritualise their deaths either -- the deaths of ministers you mentioned during and following the Ratzmann shooting were physical deaths.
Ron, you have by your own standard set in your own writing defined yourself as a false prophet. And you compound this when on March 29th you draw a line in the sand and say "If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching" and then a few short weeks later say "And, I made some comments about Pentecost. But I sadly understand now even moreso, that there is going to be things that the world isn't going to know or understand or acknowledge. That's not going to slow me down one iota." Never mind that you followed up your declaration of March 29 with "Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK?" Ron, you are not true to your word.
Ron, by your own words you mock yourself. Ron, your critics are not twisting your words as you tried to convince your followers with your "exposed" comment. You provide enough twisted words that you do the job for your critics.
Ron, it's time. It's time to truly don the sackcloth of humility and acknowledge the facts which are there for those who have eyes to see, that you are a false prophet, by your own definition.
Ron, it's time to shut down the Google Adwords campaign. The key words that you've chosen such as "Nostradamus" are not designed to witness to the world but rather to attract those inclined to buy into your delusions. Ron, Google yourself and see if there really is a growing recognition that you are the end time witness. Look at the first few pages of search results and see if there are any giving you the recognition you crave.
Ron, it's time to start the process of refunding money that you promised in your sermon. It's time to start that even if no one asks you. You said "So if you didn't believe that you'd have any mortgage payments after April the 17th, or you didn't have to pay off your credit card, then you made a mistake! You know. You can't blame me!" Yes, your flock did make a mistake. But they can also blame you because you led them to make that mistake. Ron, it's time to do what you can to minimize the damage for which you bear a significant degree of responsibility.
Ron, it's time to publicly acknowledge your mistake, ask for forgiveness, and then stop preaching. I by that I mean a permanent end, not a resumption after some short period of repentance. The rest of the time you draw breath is not long enough to repent for what you've done. If the only job you're qualified for is a greeter at Walmart, then that's what you should do -- show some true humility.
Ron, it's time. No, Ron, it's well past that time.
So, Ron, learn some more by going back to your book "2008 GFW" and turning to page 108 where you wrote "How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!"
And Ron, what was this test that you defined? Turn back to the bottom of page 107 and read "The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God." Ron, you know who these specific individuals are even if some of your flock recruited via the Internet from the younger set without a Church of God background do not.
Ron, have all of these individuals died? In fact have any of them? No, Rod Meredith, Gerald Flurry, David Pack, and John Ritenbaugh are all still alive. Ron don't tell us that these specific individuals are "gonna die in the Great Tribulation". Ron, you specifically called for their deaths in the first phase of the fifth thunder, that is they were to occur well before the seventh seal allegedly opened on March 18. These are not part of the rank and file ministers you prophesied to die in the great tribulation. Ron, don't attempt to spiritualise their deaths either -- the deaths of ministers you mentioned during and following the Ratzmann shooting were physical deaths.
Ron, you have by your own standard set in your own writing defined yourself as a false prophet. And you compound this when on March 29th you draw a line in the sand and say "If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching" and then a few short weeks later say "And, I made some comments about Pentecost. But I sadly understand now even moreso, that there is going to be things that the world isn't going to know or understand or acknowledge. That's not going to slow me down one iota." Never mind that you followed up your declaration of March 29 with "Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK?" Ron, you are not true to your word.
Ron, by your own words you mock yourself. Ron, your critics are not twisting your words as you tried to convince your followers with your "exposed" comment. You provide enough twisted words that you do the job for your critics.
Ron, it's time. It's time to truly don the sackcloth of humility and acknowledge the facts which are there for those who have eyes to see, that you are a false prophet, by your own definition.
Ron, it's time to shut down the Google Adwords campaign. The key words that you've chosen such as "Nostradamus" are not designed to witness to the world but rather to attract those inclined to buy into your delusions. Ron, Google yourself and see if there really is a growing recognition that you are the end time witness. Look at the first few pages of search results and see if there are any giving you the recognition you crave.
Ron, it's time to start the process of refunding money that you promised in your sermon. It's time to start that even if no one asks you. You said "So if you didn't believe that you'd have any mortgage payments after April the 17th, or you didn't have to pay off your credit card, then you made a mistake! You know. You can't blame me!" Yes, your flock did make a mistake. But they can also blame you because you led them to make that mistake. Ron, it's time to do what you can to minimize the damage for which you bear a significant degree of responsibility.
Ron, it's time to publicly acknowledge your mistake, ask for forgiveness, and then stop preaching. I by that I mean a permanent end, not a resumption after some short period of repentance. The rest of the time you draw breath is not long enough to repent for what you've done. If the only job you're qualified for is a greeter at Walmart, then that's what you should do -- show some true humility.
Ron, it's time. No, Ron, it's well past that time.
Sunday, May 4, 2008
Ron Weinland's May 3 Sermon Transcript on Two Witnesses Forum
J of Shadows has performed the herculean task of transcribing and commenting on most of False Prophet Ronnie's attempt at damage control.
J has done a great job so I have nothing to add. Follow the link to the topic on the Two Witnesses Forum.
J has done a great job so I have nothing to add. Follow the link to the topic on the Two Witnesses Forum.
Saturday, May 3, 2008
Audra, Give Back the Money
But if you're Audra's father, it's time to read this.
Audra, your father described in his sermon today how some people have given tremendous amounts of money, $10,000, $100,000, and more. Did these people have this much money as spare change? Hardly. Probably these "offerings" came from loans, perhaps a mortgage refinancing a home that people never expected to repay.
Or these offerings may have come from people who cashed out their retirement savings because they were misled by your father into believing that they won't need it. People who are going to experience a true Great Tribulation when the IRS comes after them for the remaining taxes on money pulled from 401(k) plans. Not only will these people suffer from reduced circumstances in their old age, they're going to suffer now because the amount withheld from the withdrawal for taxes will only cover a portion of the amount due. Those who make withdrawals last year are about to suffer, and those who did it this year will face the problem next year.
Audra, don't delay the refunds on those who've done this recently. If a 401(k) withdrawal was done recently there may yet be time for these people to put that money into a rollover IRA and defer the tax bill. Make sure they know to check into it or ask a qualified tax adviser. But if it's too late for that at least they'll have the money to pay their taxes.
Audra, cancel the Google Adwords program so that no more money goes to Google making it unavailable for refunds. What does the key word "2012" have to do with the Bible? How about "Nostradamus"? And where in the Bible does the word "rapture" appear? But I have to admit that "Bible code" does have something to do with the Bible, obviously, but what does it have to do with the end time?
Audra, break the pitcher and do the right thing. Will you be able to live with yourself after your involvement in this when it's all over? We can't choose our parents, but we can choose what to do with our lives. Whether your father's a con man or truly deluded, you don't need to be a part of it. People have been damaged, do what you can to minimize it.
Audra, give back the money.
Audra, your father described in his sermon today how some people have given tremendous amounts of money, $10,000, $100,000, and more. Did these people have this much money as spare change? Hardly. Probably these "offerings" came from loans, perhaps a mortgage refinancing a home that people never expected to repay.
Or these offerings may have come from people who cashed out their retirement savings because they were misled by your father into believing that they won't need it. People who are going to experience a true Great Tribulation when the IRS comes after them for the remaining taxes on money pulled from 401(k) plans. Not only will these people suffer from reduced circumstances in their old age, they're going to suffer now because the amount withheld from the withdrawal for taxes will only cover a portion of the amount due. Those who make withdrawals last year are about to suffer, and those who did it this year will face the problem next year.
Audra, don't delay the refunds on those who've done this recently. If a 401(k) withdrawal was done recently there may yet be time for these people to put that money into a rollover IRA and defer the tax bill. Make sure they know to check into it or ask a qualified tax adviser. But if it's too late for that at least they'll have the money to pay their taxes.
Audra, cancel the Google Adwords program so that no more money goes to Google making it unavailable for refunds. What does the key word "2012" have to do with the Bible? How about "Nostradamus"? And where in the Bible does the word "rapture" appear? But I have to admit that "Bible code" does have something to do with the Bible, obviously, but what does it have to do with the end time?
Audra, break the pitcher and do the right thing. Will you be able to live with yourself after your involvement in this when it's all over? We can't choose our parents, but we can choose what to do with our lives. Whether your father's a con man or truly deluded, you don't need to be a part of it. People have been damaged, do what you can to minimize it.
Audra, give back the money.
Friday, May 2, 2008
False Prophet Ron Weinland on the Mike McConnell Show
Weinland Watch has a complete transcript and links to audio of Ron Weinland on Cincinnati radio station WLW's Mike McConnell show.
As I expected I heard the normal grasping at straws -- the Reno earthquakes, the tornadoes. I'm surprised he didn't work in the shark attacks too. Mike didn't really ask any tough questions, but it really isn't his job to expose false prophets. Rather, it's his job to entertain his audience and and the end of the interview Ron agreed to return for another interview in July to provide yet more entertainment for demons and others.
At one point they discussed the second trumpet and how it was going to destroy a few cities, but not the entire nation.
RW:" No, by the second trumpet time we only have the first major strikes–what I mean–and I even mentioned there–it appears to be as though it’s going to be something nukular(sic). Uh if if that happens in some of the major cities, obviously, our our whole lifestyle in the United States changes. If it happens in New York, and Chicago, Washington, DC -- things are gonna change major for us here in the United States. But the United States continues on for several months. This doesn’t destroy us. Things continue on–look what happened with Katrina. Did that hurt the rest of the United States? NOOO."
And a bit later on: "We are coming to a point where by the time you get to the fifth trumpet we are going to be destroyed, in essence. We’re not going to have a whole lot left."
I see this as a continuation of a theme he started with last Saturday as I mentioned in a previous post. He's trying to move the goal post all the way to the fifth trumpet, and even introducing the possibility that the second trumpet won't be "nukular" war. What about the third and fourth trumpets? Ronnie boy, if you use up all off the trumpets you won't have any left. That is unless you want to introduce some new ones. How many trumpets will we end up with? How about 111? That's a godly number.
As I expected I heard the normal grasping at straws -- the Reno earthquakes, the tornadoes. I'm surprised he didn't work in the shark attacks too. Mike didn't really ask any tough questions, but it really isn't his job to expose false prophets. Rather, it's his job to entertain his audience and and the end of the interview Ron agreed to return for another interview in July to provide yet more entertainment for demons and others.
At one point they discussed the second trumpet and how it was going to destroy a few cities, but not the entire nation.
RW:" No, by the second trumpet time we only have the first major strikes–what I mean–and I even mentioned there–it appears to be as though it’s going to be something nukular(sic). Uh if if that happens in some of the major cities, obviously, our our whole lifestyle in the United States changes. If it happens in New York, and Chicago, Washington, DC -- things are gonna change major for us here in the United States. But the United States continues on for several months. This doesn’t destroy us. Things continue on–look what happened with Katrina. Did that hurt the rest of the United States? NOOO."
And a bit later on: "We are coming to a point where by the time you get to the fifth trumpet we are going to be destroyed, in essence. We’re not going to have a whole lot left."
I see this as a continuation of a theme he started with last Saturday as I mentioned in a previous post. He's trying to move the goal post all the way to the fifth trumpet, and even introducing the possibility that the second trumpet won't be "nukular" war. What about the third and fourth trumpets? Ronnie boy, if you use up all off the trumpets you won't have any left. That is unless you want to introduce some new ones. How many trumpets will we end up with? How about 111? That's a godly number.
Thursday, May 1, 2008
Silent Witness Search Results
I thought it interesting to see the results of a Google search on the Silent Witness Laura Weinland (who by the way happens to be the wife of the Spokesman Witness Ronald Weinland). Search results on "Laura Weinland" were:#1: genealogy.com, which has a Google Page Rank of 5
#2: WeinlandWatch which has been at this game long enough to have a Google Page Rank of 3
#3: Yours Truly "Don't Drink the Flavor Aid" which just this week made it out of the Google sandbox and into the index, and doesn't have a page rank yet.
#4 & 5: Shadows of WCG
(Click inside the picture to get a bigger version, or try the search on Google for yourself)
Where does Laura's mention on Ronnie's own site show up in the search results? Answer: #7. It's truly amazing to understand how insignificant of an actor she is in this little drama, when a search for her turns up mentions on 3 different websites critical of Wacky Weinland before it returns a hit on his own site. My read of Revelation chapter 11 does not indicate that one of the Two Witnesses is more important than the other.
Rumor has it that False Prophet Ron is going to make a repeat appearance on Cincinnati radio station WLW's Mike McConnell show Friday morning (9 AM - Noon EST). I wonder if she'll get any exposure there, or even a mention.
I expect McConnell will ask him about the lack of significant events, and that we'll hear more of "45 to 90 days" (but now 76 days or less) and "God progressively reveals". I doubt we'll hear him doing "his job" and revealing any new prophesies, nor do I think he'll come up with a new curse for his mockers on McConnell's program. I wonder if he'll give McConnell any leeway if he says anything slightly mocking.
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