Four and Counting, Ten and Counting

During his short sermon last Saturday, False Prophet Ronald Weinland did a drive-by through the Seven Thunders. Speaking about the Fifth Thunder, he said:
“I’ll just say what’s happened here has been minimal. Even these in part have happened in an orderly fashion. One, two, three, four, five, six, and seven. Where are we right now? Four. But all of them have had some thunderings. And the only ones that can hear any of that – it’s us, God’s people."

I'm mystified as to how the fifth thunder has sounded since he published his book two years ago. None of the five "notable ministers" have died. "People" magazine is not commenting on the unusually large number of notables who are dying. There's not a disease pandemic.

His book certainly didn't say that the only four of the Thunders would sound before the Great Tribulation. On page 96 of his book he wrote:
All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great tribulation.
And on page 111:
All Seven Thunders are given as God’s proof that I am His end-time prophet.
And on page 115
During the Sixth Seal, all Seven Thunders will be getting progressively louder.

A comment was left on a previous post pointing out something I had missed. On page 107:
To make it absolutely clear, my petition covers more in regard to the scattered ministers. The most notable among them will be those who die toward the beginning. However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation.

Before the Great Tribulation rebegan on December 14, none of the "notable" ministers, the five he specifically mentioned, had died. But one of the other scattered ministers had already died. Raymond McNair died on October 11 at the age of 78. McNair was formerly an evangelist in Worldwide and when he died he was in charge of his own Armstrongite splinter, the Church of God 21st Century. So Weinland prophesied that McNair would die during the Great Tribulation, but he died before it began.

A minor point among all of Weinland's other failures and contradictions. "2008 God's Final Witness" was supposedly inspired by God -- why didn't he inspire Larry to fix the language to read something along the lines of " ... will die before the end of the final three and one-half years of tribulation"? Is God the Author of Confusion?

And it's now ten days since False Witness Ronald Weinland placed his curse on me, that I would speedily die. I'm obviously still here. Ron, please clarify. When you say I'll die speedily, does that mean that I'll die soon? Or does it mean that when I die (whenever that is), that it will be a quick death. If it's soon, please be more specific. And if you mean a quick death, then thank you. When it comes my time, I don't want to suffer long.

Weinland Changes an Iota

False Prophet Ronald Weinland lamely responded to my post of last Sunday in his sermon today. He started by reading the following paragraph from the last page in his book "2008 God's Final Witness":
When this book is published at the end of summer of 2006, (with distribution in full swing in the fall), there will be a maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be plunged into the worst time of all human history.

Weinland admitted that the book was late -- it wasn't actually published until December of 2006 and at that time as a PDF for download on his the-end.com website. The book failed prophetically before the printing press even rolled. Then the Insane Liar said that we have already been plunged into the worse time of all human history because our economic situation will be the worse. Ron has twisted the meaning of the word "plunged". A synonym for "plunged" is "immersed", and the economic situation in which we are immersed is not worse than the Great Depression, even 3 months later than the prophetic deadline. And the Great Depression, bad as it was, was not as bad for the world as was World War II. Whether or not the situation worsens, and it might do do, the prophecy failed because we are not and in September were not plunged into the worse time of human history -- the most that could be said is that we've dipped our toe.

He continued to the next paragraph from his divinely inspired book:
By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time.

Ron said the US has begun its collapse, economically. He mentioned the Eight-Month difference between his two timelines, and continued to blather about the economy for several minutes. He said he didn't know if that time would hold, or if there would be a delay of Eight Months due to the change of timelines, and said it was written based on his assumption that Jesus would return on Trumpets. Continuing on in the book:

There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time.

Then Weinland claimed that he's said many times there could be a six to nine-month period (Wow!!!). Must have been some time back when he said this many times, because what I recall him saying recently is that it could be up to a year before the second trumpet blows. And no telling how long it takes for the third through fifth trumpet to finish us off as an independent nation.

Finally from the book: This will be revealed some time soon after the distribution of this book begins.

Ronald stated that two years can be regarded as "soon" given 6000 years of human history. OK, I see now. If I live to be 110 and then my heart gives out, that can be regarded as dying speedily from the inside as a result of your Witness curse against me. Gotcha, Ron.

Oh, but wait. Ron is still not revealing anything. Reading from a prepared statement, he said that the 8-month timeline difference changed everything. Ron did make the following statement with which I fully agree: "I don't know." That's true, Ron doesn't know. But send him all your money anyway.

In his sermon of June 28th with two names: "50th Truth"/"Trumpets 2008", the False Prophet stated (starting at 4 minutes into the file currently archived on the COG-PKG website):
"It's important to understand, that everything that I've written in the two books will come to pass. All the prophecies are true and will come to pass exactly as they are written. ...... So all that God has revealed in these matters concerning the end time is true and hasn't changed one iota, as far as what is true concerning the prophecies." When he changed to the new timeline, he said that the book is 100% true but he assumed the wrong date. Now that the new timeline is in jeopardy, he's starting to change the book saying he assumed the wrong date.

In any case, "speedily" is longer than 7 days because that's how long it's been since the Insane Witness issued his death curse.

Please Read "2008 God's Final Witness"

No, I haven't started drinking the Weinland Flavor Aid. This recommendation is for any of Ronnie's followers. When he stands up and delivers a sermon, see if what he says is in agreement with what is said in his book, which he claims is divinely inspired and is still correct even though he was presumptuous in setting up his first timeline and has since moved to timeline #2. Read Ron's book "2008 God's Final Witness" and see if it agrees with what he's currently saying.

And when he says that I've said something, read what I actually said. In last Saturday's sermon he said: "Some have read through some of the things in the book and have asked questions about 'Well, before the Seventh Seal was opened up and before the first trumpet all these thunders were supposed to have been accomplished.' No!!! That was never stated in those terms. It was a matter, even in the book, that it's a matter that those thunders are going to continue on." (Sermon file of Dec 20, at about 46 minutes.)

I'm going to assume that "Some" is yours truly because he used the term "Some" when he acknowledged on June 28 that I had figured out and published his second timeline and 50th "truth" a week before he announced it to his church. "Some" has written a series of posts on this blog about ReFail Ron's silent thunders. But "Some" didn't say that the thunders were supposed to be finished when the Seventh Seal was opened. I read what he said on page 96: "All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great tribulation."

My criticism has been that the thunders have not been increasing in magnitude since he published his book. For example I showed that the economic impact of weather disasters has actually diminished since Weinland wrote the book. And one of the thunders hasn't sounded at all.

The first phase of the Fifth Thunder hasn't sounded at all. "Some"'s interpretation of Weinland's prophecy regarding the deaths of CoG ministry was that all five of the specific ministers he mentioned would be dead before the Seventh Seal opened and that the rest of the rank-and-file CoG ministry would die during the Great Tribulation. There's no point in quibbling about whether it meant that all five would die before the Seventh Seal or just part of the five specifically named ministers. Since not a single one of them has died, the the Fifth Thunder hasn't sounded at all, much much less sounding loudly when the Seventh Seal supposedly reopened on November 14.

When Ronnie stands up and blathers on during a sermon, check what he says against the book. If you have eyes to see, let them read. When he says that it could be up to a year before the Second Trumpet sounds, and he also says that it's the Second, Third, and Fourth Trumpets which bring the US down and that we're taken over during the Fifth Trumpet, how does that jive with his statement on the very last page of his divinely inspired book that the US will not be an independent nation within six months after the fall of 2008? (Listen to last Saturday's sermon at about 51 minutes and also 1 hour and 2 minutes. Also listen to the Nov. 1 sermon at 1 hour and 23 minutes. NOTE: these times are for the file versions which include the announcements -- if your file does not include announcements the file location may be earlier.) It's clear to me that the first five trumpets have to sound before next June 21 if "2008 God's Final Witness" is divinely inspired.

Ron, before you come up with your usual lame explanation for your contradictions that your followers will swallow whole, please answer this: Is "dying speedily" faster or slower than "dying early on" or "not long". I'm referring to the section in your book on pages 107-108:
"The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God."
followed on page 108 by"
"How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!"

The reason I ask is that if "speedily" is slower than "early on", I've got at least two years to live. You published your book two years ago, in December of 2006, and not one of these ministers have died. How much longer is "early on"?

I guess since it's been more than 100 hours since you issued your death curse against me, we'll not express "speedily" in seconds, minutes, or hours so it's expressed in units of at least days. So again Ron, is my "speedy death" going to be sooner or later than an "early death"?

The More Mockers, The Merrier

We have a new blog about Weinland joining in the mock fest. "Dill Weed" has started a blog which he calls "The Prophet Who Failed". That must be to distinguish Weinland from all the prophets who passed, and here's a complete list of them:
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Take a look at Dill Weed's blog. He has a photo of Ron in his younger days before he lost his hair and needed to resort to wearing a cap. He's demonstrating his fire-breathing abilities using the same orifice from which he issues his End-Time Witness prophecies and curses.

And for those without blogs who are members of the Ironwolf forum and want to join in the fun, here's a thread to do just that. Or while you're here, you're welcome to leave a comment on my blog. Given Weinland's track record, if you mock him you'll live to be 100.

Also, Jack has something to say about the curse.

It's been about 55 hours since Rotten Ronnie pronounced his death curse on me (for the second time, the first was on April 19), that I'm to die speedily from the inside. I'm still alive and mocking, so it looks like "speedily" is not expressed in seconds or minutes.

Happy Winter Solstice to the Rest of You, My Days are Numbered

The Winter Solstice coincides with the publishing of this post. The Winter Solstice ends the fall season and starts the winter season.

The Winter Solstice has significance within Armstrongism with Christmas associated with Sun worship. Seems that Sun worshippers regard the 25th of December as the rebirth of the Sun in the Northern Hemisphere as the Sun has clearly reversed its descent to the Southern horizon with the passing of the Winter Solstice.

This moment also has a point of prophetic significance for False Prophet Ronald Weinland. On the very last page of "2008 God's Final Witness", we find this little gem:
"By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power,"

With the Winter Solstice and the publishing of this post, the fall of 2008 is over and yet the United States is still a world power. But a Weinland apologist would be quick to point out that the quote ends with a comma, not a period. Let's see what the remainder of the sentence says:
"or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time."

So here we have a specific Weinland prophecy: By 7:04 AM EST on June 21, 2009, the United States will no longer exist as an independent nation. In yesterday's sermon he said that it will be the second, third, and fourth trumpets that finally bring down this nation and an unnamed European nation takes us over after the fifth trumpet sounds.

Do I think that Weinland's followers will abandon him in droves when President Obama is still in office as the chief executive of an independent United States on June 21? I rather doubt it. After all, they've ignored the inarguable abject failure of the Fifth Thunder with every one of the specific ministers still alive who were predicted to soon die by Weinland back in 2006 and in any case before the Opening of the Seventh Seal. Weinland's followers only have ears to hear the latest babble from the Insane Liar's mouth. If anyone bothers to ask, he will simply say that it's "spiritual". After all, he's already said that the Second Trumpet may not happen for a year and things won't get really, really bad until the Fifth Trumpet. And he's said that his prophecy of "will be no new President inaugurated in January of 2009" is not a prophecy. Despite the failed prophecies, the contradictions, and the timeline change they're still with him handing over their life savings to finance his prophetic fantasies.

The Spokesman Witness repeated his curse of April 19 against his mockers. However the curse is modified -- it will not be a slow death. Seems I will be dying from the inside speedily. And its to be really, really for sure this time since he for sure has his Witness Powers now.

Weinland spent the last part of the sermon reading from pages 88 and 89 of "2008 God's Final Witness", giving special emphasis to what it means to hurt the two witnesses. Seems that includes a simple insult, as in hurting them socially. Whatever is done to "hurt" the Two Witlesses will boomerang on the offender. I guess that means that the IRS Special Agent investigating ReFail Ron will soon be the target of an IRS criminal investigation.

Speaking of death, his elder Jack Wood in Australia died recently. Unlike others in COG-PKG who have died recently, he had a funeral.

One question, Ron: If the US is to be brought down by the Second, Third, and Fourth Trumpets followed by the loss of its independence when taken over by a European nation after the Fifth Trumpet, how is that going to happen by next June 21 if the Second Trumpet doesn't blow for a year which you say can happen? Please explain what the following sentence referring to the demise of the United States on the last page of your book means: "There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time." Is your book an inspired revelation or not? Which is it: 6 months or a year? 'splain that, Ron. (The following Saturday, Ron did offer a lame explanation. From which I'd guess that 2008 GFW is not divinely inspired.)

Excuse me, but I have one more question: How much time do I have to get my affairs in order before I die speedily from the inside? Please be exact. How fast is "speedily"? Inquiring minds want to know.

Scripture Unexplained

Last Saturday from Jerusalem, False Prophet Ronald Weinland announced the addition to the FAQ section on the COG-PKG website. The page is titled "Scripture Explained" and is an index of Weinland's sermons which reference particular Bible verses.

Here's part of the page:


Weinland covered Deuteronomy Chapter 18 up through verse 19 which says:

19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.

Rather important words for a Prophet seeking more acolytes to hand him their life savings. Are there any more verses in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 past verse 19? Let's see. Oh, yes -- there are.

20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

Explain these verses, Ron.

It Has ReBegun

The Great Tribulation re-began this morning at 9:36 AM Eastern Time. According to False Prophet Ronald Weinland, the 1260 day begins at sunset in Jerusalem, which was 4:36 PM Jerusalem time. The first time around, back in April, Spokesman Witness Ron and Silent Witness Laura went to Jerusalem along with the Harrells. This time around they re-went to Jerusalem but without the Harrells. There was no prior announcement of this trip, so the Israeli authorities are not on the lookout for these sufferers of Jerusalem Syndrome.

This sermon was a re-spin of the sermon he delivered on April 19 just after the first blowing of the First Trumpet. One difference was that Laura was in the hotel room with him. He says that he has grown and that he can now deliver sermons with only one other person in the room so that now Laura doesn't have to hide in the bathroom under a blanket. However the Silent Witness remained true to her moniker and we did not hear from her. But he has made another change to the government in his church. Laura has been ordained as a prophet and now ranks above all the evangelists, senior elders, and elders. So I guess they'll all be hearing from her. But she still ranks below Ron.

He spent some time blathering about great spiritual battles. Perhaps the IRS Criminal Investigation Division is homing in on him, and he is grooming Laura to keep things going while he's a guest at Club Fed.

In April Weinland stated that the pope was beginning to be influenced powerfully by Satan. He says that was true. So powerfully that we haven't seen any evidence of this influence.

Near the end of his sermon ReFail Ron seemed to reimpose his curse against his mockers. We've been dying from the inside out spiritually and now it will be physical. If you don't hear again from your blogger and from this other blogger then perhaps these might be the Two Witnesses.

As far as his other witness powers, he said that they would not be done unless for a great purpose and probably not until after the Fifth Trumpet. Using Witness powers to prove that Ron and Laura are the Two Witnesses so people will recognize it and repent is not a great enough purpose. So I guess we won't be seeing blood in Fountain Square for quite some time.

Redux Ron, Four More Days 'til the Restart of the Great Tribulation

Here we are nearly at the start of the second go-around for Spokesman-Witness-to-be and False Prophet Ronald Weinland and his trusty sidekick, wife, and Silent-Witness-to-be Laura Weinland. In only four days, on December 14, they again don the sackcloth of humility and resume their jobs as the Two Witnesses.

Let's review what happened the first time around on and around April 17th. There was a good deal of interest, as Gavin Rumney noted the record web traffic on his Ambassador Watch blog in his Wiener Effect post. For the occasion, Ron took Laura and the Harrells on a jaunt to Jerusalem. Ron posted his Passover sermon and his regular Saturday sermon from Jerusalem -- it wasn't clear why he took the other three people with him as they were not allowed to stay in the hotel room while he recorded his sermons. He made a special point to announce Laura as the Second Witness on his blog on the 17th of April, although it was very late on the 17th with that day remaining in only a few time zones before the technically challenged false prophet was able to accomplish it.

Other events at the time that Weinland made much of were the pope's visit to the US and a minor earthquake that happened in southern Illinois. Supposedly Satan was going to influence the pope powerfully beginning on that day, but the only unpopelike thing the pope did was to apologize for the sexual abuse perpetrated by his priests.

Leading up to April 17th Weinland appeared on British talk show host James Whale's program and prophesied nuclear detonations in US port cities within 45 to 90 days after April 17th. On March 29th he made his infamous "if by Pentecost" declaration which included prophecies for the destruction of plant and animal life by that time as the result of the First Trumpet. He also prophesied that no new President will take office on January 20th.

His only exercise of his Witness Powers was to declare a curse on his critics and mockers -- supposedly we're dying slowly from the inside out. I guess it's very very slow since I'm still alive and blogging. After April 17th he made no new prophecies. He only gave one interview after that, on May 2 on WLW's Mike McConnnell Show. (His appearance on Australian television recently was taped last winter. Well, actually summer down there.)

This time around the false prophet is taking a lower key approach. No trips have been indicated for December 14 so he'll probably be in Cincinnati. He's indicated in a recent sermon that it could be up to a year before the Great Tribulation is evident, and has backed off on his "no new President" prophecy saying that it wasn't a prophecy.

And we'll see if he reimposes the death curse on me.

One thing that is the same is his Internet advertising. According to Alexa, web traffic to the-end.com is nearly the same level as it was back in February. And the uninformed and doomers are still being sucked in by it. Hopefully the merry-go-'round will stop somehow before Weinland starts up his third timeline.

One More Week

False Prophet Ronald Weinland delivered his sermon yesterday in the Netherlands. His title for it was "A Transition Between Eras". Supposedly the Laodicean era ended on on November 14 when the Seventh Seal opened, for the second time. If this is a transition, it's a transition between timelines -- his second timeline is a transition from his 1st timeline to the 3rd timeline to be rolled out when the second one fails so miserably that even his deluded followers recognize it.

Weinland claims to be bringing back the funds he stashed in Switzerland. Here is his explanation as to the reason for doing this from yesterday's sermon:
"..some of our “fans” misconstrue, they twist, and read into some of the things that they think that they know that’s been posted on some of the web sites, but they don’t know what they think they do. …. Because of 9/11 and people who try to hide funds in Switzerland, it should be understandable why primarily our government, speaking of the US, might be concerned with such a thing (and that definitely did take place)…"

So now the story he's trying to sell to the membership is that his "government problems" are a simple misunderstanding by the Department of Homeland Security. While anti-terrorism efforts would be concerned with the movement of funds that support terrorism, the concern would be for funds moved to the US or funds moved overseas to train terrorists. They're not concerned about funds moved overseas possibly to evade taxes. It's not DHS that's interested, it's the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS. The picture below is a copy of a summons the IRS issued in August for Weinland's financial records (including church records since after all COG-PKG is a tool of Weinland, with no oversight board that I've ever heard of):
For anyone who doubts the authenticity of this document, it's available for download from the US Federal Court system's PACER website.

A week from today on December 14 is when the First Trumpet blows according to Weinland. There has been some reader interest in this upcoming non-event, including an inquiry as to why there is not more discussion about this. The answer perhaps is fatigue. Back in April when the First Trumpet blew for the first time, there was quite a bit of blogging going on concerning Ron Weinland. Robert McNally had a long running series beginning in November of 2007 on his Ironwolf blog. Gavin Rumney noted the increased traffic to his Ambassador Watch blog in April. After Weinland's prophecies failed to materialize and Ronnie reneged on his "if by Pentecost" promise, most people recognized him as a false prophet as defined in Deut. 18:20-22.

Unfortunately, people are still being sucked into the trap of ReFail Ron's false prophecies, attracted by the Internet ad campaign he renewed in October. To make matters worse, according to Weinland he's using the repatriated funds to increase the budget for Internet advertising. I'm keeping the story alive for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear so as to understand what a Liar Ronald Weinland is and avoid the needless destruction to their personal relationships and finances that result from following this false prophet. Actually, the DHS should be interested in Weinland's transfer funds from Switzerland to the US, as it will be used to fund terrorism. What Weinland does to his followers is terrorism, not in the common definition, but in its terrifying results on those who seriously consider the message promoted by his Internet advertising.

Author of Confusion

Brethren, please turn in your Bible to 1 Corinthians 14:33, which says:
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

So we are to believe that God (Elohim) confused his prophet who in turn confused his followers to believe that the Great Tribulation began on April 17th and that Christ will return on the Feast of Trumpets of 2011, when he really is to return on Pentecost of 2012 with the Great Tribulation beginning on December 14?

And when God (Elohim) finally revealed to his prophet the "new truth" back in June, he was initially to withhold this new truth to his followers until Sept. 30 of this year, but after only a week was "mercifully allowed" to reveal it early?

Let's continue on to 1 Corinthians 14:40 which says: "Let all things be done decently and in order."

And let's also review Deuteronomy 18:21-22 which says: "21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

And as SirPaul has aptly summarized "Ronald Weinland pronounced some prophecies, they failed, by God's definition he is a false prophet. God does not allow "mistakes" in regards to accurate prophecy. Can you imagine a host of people standing before God? And God asking him why they didn't believe his "witness"? And them replying, well, according to your own word, he is a false prophet! And God saying "Oops!". Do you thing God works this way? No he does not."

So we have identified the Author of Confusion: False Prophet Ronald Weinland. The God described in the Bible would not create this mess. I hope this clears up the confusion.

ReBirth of a ReNewed Era

The title to this post is a corrected version of the title False Prophet Ronald Weinland gave yesterday's sermon from the UK. He hammered on the economy, but gave no mention of the other thunders all of which are silent. About the only thing of note was his acknowledgment that he didn't come out well in the Australian interview, but without any acknowledgment that this represents one of the non-intensifying thunders, the Sixth Thunder. While Ron mentioned the camera angle shown to the right, it's his apocalyptic ideas that took a particular beating on the TV spot.

For a description of yesterday's sermon, I'm going to turn it over to a commenter, using a comment left on my last post.

And There Was Silence in Heaven For About Half an Hour…
while on earth Ron rambled on for about two hours.

Rambling Ron reiterated the “amazing” things that have been happening, most, if not all of these amazing things were unnoticed by Weinland believers because these things were not only invisible to them, but were also “incomprehensible”, as well. Fortunately, Ron is there to point out and explain these things (in a very general way) and then tell everyone just how amazing these things are (yawn). And he was able to do it all in slightly less than two hours. JWs put a time limits on talks so you knew how long you’d have to suffer with a boring or unprepared speaker. God only gave Ron the talk the day before he delivered it so….

What were some of these amazing things? Well, the Abomination that causes desolation that had been plaguing the COG since 1994 was finally, some 1814 years later, over. Phew! Also, greed and envy existing in people and society were ‘amazing and incomprehensible.’ There is the financial crisis, the trouble with the big three automakers, and pagan holidays celebrated by Christianity also. He did not mention anything about the inauguration, but mentioned nukes going off.

Observations: Ron speaks very generally. He uses generalities to create a sense of urgency and fear. He seems to speak as much to convince himself of what he believes as others. Is it to much to expect a prophet to speak with clarity and specificity that speaks for itself?

Ron says we are in the ½ hour of Silence in Heaven. So, we’re back where we started in April. O.K., let’s see what happens. I’m still not sending any tithes in, but I’ll be an interested observer for a while.

How will the wheels come off?

It should be interesting to hear his future talks as nothing continues to happen. When Ron explains why his ‘prophecies’ haven’t happened he is explaining as much to himself as he is to others. I don’t doubt Ron believes what he says.

In having to reconcile the conflict betweeen reality and what he believes, I believe he will ultimately realize he is not a prophet much less one of The Two Witnesses of Revelation.

Dill Weed

Somehow "Dill Weed" has managed to post comments on "Citizen X's" blog without yet being banned. While he is an end-time buff of some sort, at least he recognizes Weinland as a false prophet. Or seems to -- there's bit of ambiguity lurking there. To Dill Weed and others who may be on the fence regarding Weinland, let me mention Deuteronomy 18:20-22 as well summarized by SirPaulMuaddib on the AboveTopSecret Forum:
"Ronald Weinland pronounced some prophecies, they failed, by God's definition he is a false prophet. God does not allow "mistakes" in regards to accurate prophecy. Can you imagine a host of people standing before God? And God asking him why they didn't believe his "witness"? And them replying, well, according to your own word, he is a false prophet! And God saying "Oops!". Do you thing God works this way? No he does not."

ReFail Ron's Sixth Thunder Still Silent

False Prophet Ronald Weinland might as well be Rodney Dangerfield, who didn't get any respect either. The Australian ABC has made available online a transcript of their Compass program episode featuring Weinland. As I expected, Refail Ron didn't come out so well. Keep in mind that this interview was recorded back in January, and it still holds true into Weinland's second timeline.

One of my favorite quotes in the program is from psychologist Susan Tanner:
"Apocalyptic thinking can be very useful to people who need to feel a sense of control, and that they therefore feel calm because they know what’s going to happen. Living with uncertainty, living with a question mark is the hardest thing to do for all human beings. We like to know what’s going to happen."

In response to the question of the dangers of apocalyptic thinking here's a quote which I hope is wrong in Weinland's case:
"There are massive risks when someone has extreme delusional thinking. There are risks to the individual. And there are obviously dangers to other people and that can be hundreds or thousands of other people, when someone is totally controlled by their delusional thinking. And you know we have lots of examples of that in our history. " So far I haven't seen any hints that Weinland would pull a Jim Jones and I hope that doesn't change. Even so, his followers are being damaged both in their wallets and their psyches.

Basically the Compass program used Weinland as a backdrop to a general discussion on apocalyptic thinking. While not all details are correct (they kept referring to the False Prophet as a Pentecostal), the main thrust of the piece was on target. This interview with the False Prophet was definitely no fulfillment of the Weinland's Sixth Thunder. "The Sixth Thunder is the growing revelation of God’s end-time witnesses. That revelation is that I am the spokesman of God’s two end-time prophets—the spokesman of His two end-time witnesses." ("2008 God's Final Witness", page 109)

A great aspect of the program was that it didn't promote Weinland's book. The entire transcript of "Apocalyse Now?" is available for your reading. Please stop back by after you've read it and leave a comment with your impression. Note: Stones of Foresight by Hindsight has independently found the transcript, his impressions here.

It's Deja Vu All Over Again -- Three More Weeks

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Detroit for the sermon on Saturday. The title of his sermon was "Three More Weeks, Phase 2 (Deja Vu)" Seems that Weinland uses the term "phase" instead of "timeline" as "Three More Weeks" was the title of his March 29 sermon in the first timeline.

He claims that his church grew 300% in the last year, and will grow 3000% in the next. Yet more sheep to shear. He told them that they should hold cash as they might not be able to get their money out of the bank. Just hope they aren't burglarized.

Weinland emphasized that the First Trumpet might not be physical, and that he hopes it's quickly followed by the Second Trumpet. But he's already set them up to allow up to a year for the Second Trumpet to happen. More time to shear the sheep before they wake up.

The Insane Liar had an answer to the lack of shock and horror on November 14 when the Seventh Seal was ReOpened, per page 23 of his book: "I know the exact day the Sixth Seal was opened, and the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the Seventh Seal is opened." Here is the explanation:"We had some in the church who read that literally, physically. It is not literal physically. It is prophetic. …. Just because something is stated in a specific way like this doesn’t mean it starts on that day. It is the result of what will take place throughout 3 and ½ years." How lame. If it doesn't happen as he prophesied he calls it "prophetic" and not literal.

How can we tell what in his book was "prophetic" and what is literal? Actually that's easy -- it's all "prophetic". Or "spiritual".

Refail Ron on TV Tonight in Australia

While the program has aired, it is available for those in Australia to download. Or try this direct link. Already seen the program? Please leave a comment with your impressions.

Those outside of Australia have accessed to the transcript online. Follow this link to my commentary and a link to the transcript.

Although False Prophet Ronald Weinland's appearance on the Australian TV program "Compass" is not available elsewhere, there is a promotion video available online to those outside of Australia. Be patient through the brief advertisement and the two talking heads. There are a couple of clips of the False Prophet about 50 seconds into the piece.

My impression from the promo is that Ron will not come out well in the piece on "Compass".

If you are in Australia, please tune in to ABC this evening and then leave a comment summarizing tonight's treatment of Weinland.

Refail Ron, Weinland's Sixth Thunder

To any Australian readers: Please tune in to the Compass program Sunday at 2220 and leave your impressions of the program and its treatment of False Prophet Ronald Weinland in a comment on this blog. Also, please check out some of the other posts on the Don't Drink the Flavor Aid blog which has been tracking the end-time antics of Weinland since March.

On page 109 of "2008 God's Final Witness", False Prophet Ronald Weinland wrote:
"The Sixth Thunder is the growing revelation of God’s end-time witnesses. That revelation is that I am the spokesman of God’s two end-time prophets—the spokesman of His two end-time witnesses."

A simple Google search on "Ronald Weinland" strongly indicates that the opposite has occurred, with search results of many hits critical of Weinland and his prophetic claims. Even Citizen X of The Weinland Witness, the lone blogger defending the false prophet, has taken a wait-and-see attitude and has posted nothing since early October.

Weinland continued on his book:
"This thunder will grow louder as the events described in the previous thunders continue to unfold with ever increasing intensity, proving the validity of what has been written and that what I am saying is true. Radio and television interviews will become more the norm as curiosity, news, controversy, and fear increase in proportion to the growing intensity of these thunders."

Most of Weinland's radio interviews were arranged by publicists whom he had hired, and were not the result of curious interviewers seeking him out. Weinland has not had a radio interview since his interview with WLW's Mike McConnell on May 2 when he promised to stop preaching if we're still having a picnic on Labor Day. And in July Daniel Ott of The Edge denounced Weinland for failing to come on the program again to acknowledge the failures of his prophecies as he had promised during his interview in December. So much for radio interviews being the norm.

But wait -- Ron Weinland is going to be on ABC TV. But the "A" stands for "Australian", not "American". And the interview was not recorded recently, but rather back in January while on Weinland's first trip of the year down-under. If the thunders had been sounding, seems to me they'd have pulled the interview off the shelf and aired it long before now. And get a load of the promo:
"Are we facing the end of the world? American Pentecostal Pastor Ron Weinland believes he has been sent by God to announce the end of the world in 3 years time! In a provocative episode of Compass we meet this self-proclaimed prophet. He believes the end times are imminent, and he’s not alone. Climate change, acts of terrorism and natural disasters have fuelled the current epidemic of apocalyptic thinking. In this Compass program leading Australian commentators; sociologist Richard Eckersley, Biblical scholar Dr John Dickson, literary academic Greg Clarke and psychologist Susan Tanner, tackle the ultimate question."

Weinland was not too happy about being described as Pentecostal. And it reads like they have four people lined up to tear him apart. So much for television interviews being the norm.

Weinland's Sixth Thunder has ReFailed. In fact, it has failed more miserably than it failed the first time, for the first opening of the Seventh Seal on March 18. No surprise given what he wrote in his book about the Sixth Thunder "This thunder will grow louder as the events described in the previous thunders continue to unfold with ever increasing intensity, proving the validity of what has been written and that what I am saying is true." Only one of the previous thunders has sounded and a 20% accuracy rate is not going to convince rational people of his prophetic abilities. Unfortunately Weinland's followers have set aside rationality.

Those Who Do Not Remember The Past Are Condemned to Repeat It

The title to this post is also an epitaph to the 918 people who died as the results of the words of a charismatic leader 30 years ago today in Jonestown, Gayana. Nine members of Congressman Jim Ryan's investigating team and accompanying journalists were murdered on the instructions of Jim Jones, and also 909 committed suicide on his instructions, although it is debated that some of this number were also murdered. Whether suicide or murder, most of those who died in Jonestown were as the result of the ingestion of Grape Flavor Aid laced with cyanide. The title of this post was text on a billboard that presided over the gruesome scene of the dead bodies of Jones' followers.

Since Flavor Aid is similar to the more commonly known Kool Aid, the phrase "Don't Drink the Kool Aid" entered the American lexicon as a caution to avoid getting sucked into the mindset of some charismatic leader.

Since the inception of this blog in April, 2008, it has been devoted to debunking the False Prophet Ronald Weinland. While this false prophet has shown no signs of calling for the suicide of his followers, he has been destructive to them nevertheless. To the older people with assets needed for their golden age, he has induced them to give it up for the false promise of being part of the 144,0o0. And to the younger people with their lives ahead of them, he has induced them to give it up for the fear of the Great Tribulation followed by the false promise of the Millenium.

Meanwhile the Spokesman Witness and the Silent Witness soak up the tithes of the gullible with a nervous eye on the investigation of the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division. I can only hope the IRS CID will be soon successful in diverting the Insane Liar from negatively effecting the lives of yet more followers. In the interim, I can only hope that I can help divert potential victims such as this one.

Those older COG-PKG members who came through Herbert Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God have themselves to blame. They didn't learn from their history with False Prophet Herbert Armstrong and are repeating it with False Prophet Ronald Weinland.

Don't Drink the Flavor Aid!!!!

Weinland's Elders Enjoying the Good Life

Last March 29, False Prophet Ronald Weinland had a conference of all his elders in preparation for his first prophetic timeline. Since they're in the beginning stages of Weinland's second timeline, he called a second elders conference this past weekend. This weekend's elders conference was held at the Embassy Suites in Murfreesboro which is a new hotel in the Nashville area. Giving them a taste of of how Weinland lives in his home, the elders and wives enjoyed the meals, accommodations, and amenities paid for with the lay membership's first tithes and 75% of second tithes. Also, a new elder has joined the ranks, one Ken Zitt in the Cincy area.

In preparation for the millions expected to join the COG-PKG during the coming Great Tribulation, Weinland added another layer of church government. Senior elders are to report to Johnny Harrell, and the remaining US elders are to report to the senior elder over their area. Three were named senior elders: Jim Jamieson in the Northwest, Jimmy Carlisle in Texas, and Stephen Dalrymple over the remainder of the US.

Weinland continued with his "Total Resolve with Zeal" series. He delivered a heaping load of guilt on those who questioned him as God's prophet when the first timeline failed miserably. Seems there was a good deal of questioning and murmuring during the week between June 21 when he rescinded the first timeline and June 28 when he revealed the 50th "truth" and officially revealed the second timeline first revealed on this blog the week before. God showed much grace and mercy by not striking them dead for daring to speak out against "God's prophet". ReFail Ron accused them of being motivated by false pride for being embarrassed for having supported him and his false prophecies.

The Weinlands and the Harrells made a special trip last April for the start of his job as Spokeman Witness. There is no such trip mentioned for the ReStart on December 14. The only trips he has mentioned are Detroit next weekend, the UK on Nov. 29, and Belgium/Netherlands the following weekend on Dec. 6.

The closest the false prophet came to mentioning the 1290 day or ReOpening of the Seventh Seal the day prior was that it (Saturday) was the 1289 day. If there had been an event that put the world in shock and in horror the day before, he'd have been all over it. But since there wasn't, better to pretend it hadn't happened. Best not to wear out the "it's spiritual" explanation.

One can only hope that Weinland's remaining followers will soon find some salve for their eyes so that they can see that they're not following God -- they're following a false prophet who has exploited them. And it is exploitation, whether or not the false prophet believes the nonsense he's spewing.

Refail Ron, Weinland's ReFailed Reopening of the Seventh Seal

While November the 14th still has a little bit of time in the US, the 1290 day is essentially over throughout the inhabited world with sunset having occurred an hour ago in Hawaii. I just rechecked news websites, and found no stories that would put the few remaining islands between Hawaii and the International Dateline in shock and horror, much less the whole world.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland will probably explain it way the same way he did for the same lack of an an event on the first opening of the Seventh Seal on March 18. In his sermon of March 22, he asked mockingly "Did I say anything was going to happen on the 18th? It's a spiritual thing. I thought I made that abundantly clear."

Typical of the Insane Liar. If something that he prophesied didn't happen, it was spiritual. And if something bad happens that he didn't prophesy, it's a spiritual battle. It's all spiritual.

World Shocked and in Horror Today

The title of this post comes from a quote from False Prophet Ronald Weinland's book "2008 God's Final Witness". At the end of page 23, it reads: "I know the exact day the Sixth Seal was opened, and the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the Seventh Seal is opened."

Today, November 14, is the 1290 day and the day that the Seventh Seal is opened. Excuse me, reopened because we're on Weinland's second timeline. The Seventh Seal was first opened on March 18.

I just took a look at the headlines. No big cataclysmic event yet that has the world shocked and in horror. Nothing on the order of 9/11. Nothing on the order of the tsunami of December, 2004.

Here in the US, it's still morning and there is yet time for something big to happen. But in New Zealand, it's already well past midnight and it the date is November 15. In Perth, Australia it's almost 11 PM and the day is almost over. Actually, the prophetic date is over since Weinland's religious days begin on sunset of the day before the civil day and end on sunset of the civil day. With the sun due to set in little more than an hour in Berlin, the prophetic date is also nearly over in Europe.

Refail Ron, Weinland's Fifth Thunder

Almost two years ago, Gavin Rumney put up the post "Ronnie Warns the World" on his Ambassador Watch blog. Gavin was rather critical of Weinland and his book "2008 God's Final Witness" which had recently been published.

Anthony "Tony" Wilson, who is one of the False Prophet's followers and also the webmaster for the HWA Compendium website which is devoted to the false prophet who was Weinland's mentor and idol, posted a comment in response. He made a number of interesting statements including the following: "If you want actual prophecies- read the book. He's stated very boldly specific individuals are going to die and in what order (Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh). If that's not a specific prophecy, what is? And obviously there's not a whole lot of time to wait for that fulfillment."

This is consistent with page 107-108 of "2008 GFW", where the self-declared prophet of the god of Abraham wrote: "The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God."

And just in case you weren't clear on this, he followed up with: "How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!" (Ron, you should chew out Larry -- he didn't fix your missing question mark in the first sentence.)

So the deaths of the CoG leaders named by Tony Wilson were to have occurred soon after the publication of Weinland's book in late 2006 as proof that Weinland is a prophet. But here it is two years later and they're all still alive. None of them are dead. The closest we've had to a fulfillment of this prophecy is Meredith's recent stroke. But that's not dead. And with the imminent second opening of the Seventh Seal, we're a long way past "soon".

But this failure is only part of the failure. On page 101 of "2008 GFW" Weinland wrote:
"This Fifth Thunder is divided into three specific phases of death. (1) The first phase is death within the Church of God that was scattered. It will be specifically about a marked increase in the death of its leadership (the ministry)." The deaths of these specific individuals was to be followed by deaths of other ministers in Armstronite splinters. When taken to task when this prophecy failed at the original end of the Sixth Seal under Weinland's first timeline on March 18th, the Insane Liar responded in his sermon of March 29th with:
"critics look for physical events during these times ... the biggest one that people are looking for is the death of ministers. Sad. " He tried to shift the blame to critics, saying that we wanted the ministers to die. Not true at all -- his critics are not asking for these individuals to die. Ron is the one who wanted this, as stated on page 101 of his book: "This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing..." No, Ron. We didn't want it -- you did!! Very sad. And yes, since this prophecy, death, is of a physical event we are looking to see whether the event took place. And it clearly didn't happen.

In his March 29 sermon he continued on the topic of the deaths of competing CoGers: "It's is going to happen. It's going to take place. Especially those who have been full time. Not all elders, but all ministers. The reality is during three and one-half years they are all going to die." Ron, you can whitewash this over for your deluded followers with such a lame statement. But for those who can read and reason, you clearly stated that these specific deaths were to have occurred a long time ago. Since they didn't happen early in 2007, you've been proven a false prophet by this alone.

Apparently Tony has forgotten this, since his HWA Compendium website is still distributing Armstrong's nonsense on the Internet. And it's also linking to Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland's websites.

But there are two additional phase of the Fifth Thunder, from Weinland's book: "(2) The second phase will be a sudden escalation in the death of notable people in the world. (3) The third phase will be a sudden escalation of death in the world from plagues." While a few celebrities have died in the past few months, the number is not out of the ordinary. There are no headlines commenting on the unusual numbers of celebrity deaths. Nor are there headlines discussing pandemics.

In response to a statement Weinland made in a recent sermon, I've never stated that Weinland's thunders could only happen in the Sixth Seal and could not continue on into the Seventh. It would not be inconsistent for his prophesied thunders to sound in the Sixth Seal and continue on into the Seventh. But it is inconsistent with his prophecies for a thunder to not sound at all during the Sixth Seal, whether it ended on March 18th in accordance with Timeline #1 or whether it ends tomorrow in accordance with Timeline #2.

So we clearly have a failure of the Fifth Thunder, all three phases of the Fifth Thunder including the first one which was to define Weinland as a prophet. Actually a refailure since Ronnie extended the Sixth Seal when his first timeline failed miserably. Even if this all happens tomorrow in advance of the reopening of the Seventh Seal on Friday (Nov 14), it's still a failure since this thunder did not get progressively louder.

A bit of an aside. Word has reached DDTFA that a COG-PKG member died last month, a Walter Licklighter. Like several other COG-PKG members who died earlier, he requested no funeral. Sad.

Refail Ron, Weinland's Fourth Thunder

On page 98 of "2008 God's Final Witness", False Prophet Ronald Weinland wrote:
"The Fourth Thunder is global economic upheaval."

With the recent headlines even this critic will not argue with this thunder. Does that mean that I'm going to shut down this blog, repent of my errors, and start following Weinland? Hardly. Even if the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Thunders are true (which they aren't), the failed First, Second, and Third Thunders mean that Weinland's score is no better than 57% -- less than 60% and an "F". But that's only in the public education system. For a self-declared prophet of the god of Abraham the passing grade is no less than 100%. 100% is an "A", 99.99% is an "F".

Ron claims that your money will soon be worthless, so you should send it to him so that he can spend it on renewing his Internet advertising campaign. However, economists are now worried about the "D"-word -- deflation, as described in this Nov 6 Times article "The Rising Threat of Deflation".

And what is deflation? It's when currency will buy more, not less. As this economic crisis develops, Weinland's followers who sent their life savings to a false prophet would have been better served to have kept that money to help them through job losses. Instead of having it poured down the rat hole of the Insane Lying False Prophet's apocalyptic fantasies.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland on AOL

False Prophet Ronald Weinland stated recently that he was going to resume advertising on Google. But attempts to find sponsored links for his "the-end.com" website from different Google search terms were fruitless.

Checking Alexa showed that something is going on. Traffic to Weinland's website decreased dramatically in June when he changed to the second timeline and cut his advertising budget. But suddenly in early October it picked up again.

It seems that Weinland is going after another demographic -- that of AOLers. A visit to AOL Search and trying out some keywords resulted in sponsored links to Weinland's website for his book.

Interestingly, a search on the keywords "False Prophet Ronald Weinland" resulted in a hit, as shown here. Searches for "2012" and "economic collapse" also return sponsored links.

I'm surprised that the volume from AOL is nearly as high now as it was from his Google campaign earlier in the year. Please keep your eyes open to see if there are other sources referring links to "the-end.com".

Refail Ron, Weinland's Third Thunder

False Prophet Ronald Weinland wrote the following on page 97 of his fiction epic "2008 God's Final Witness":
"The Third Thunder is the growing destructiveness from weather."
And on page 115:
"During the Sixth Seal, all Seven Thunders will be getting progressively louder."

According to Weinland, the Sixth Seal started on September 11, 2001. And it ends when the Seventh Seal opens. Weinland has set two dates for the Seventh Seal opening: (1) March 18, 2008 and (2) November 14, 2008 -- this coming Friday. The second date was set after the Great Tribulation failed to materialise in accordance with Weinland's first timeline.

Whichever of these two dates you want to look at, the Third Thunder prophecy failed even before the beginning of the year. In his book written in 2006, the Insane Liar mentioned Hurricane Katrina as the costliest natural disaster in US history. If the Third Thunder was getting progressively louder, the disaster bill would be higher in each succeeding year.

Yet when I visited the National Climatic Data Center for statistics on the disaster bill, I found the following chart:

Looking at the blue and red lines, the damage cost decreased in 2006 and decreased further in 2007. Looking at the red line which adjusts for inflation, the damage costs in 2006 and 2007 were lower than that for 2001 when the Sixth Seal supposedly opened.

So much for a progressively louder thunder. This one failed even before the beginning of 2008. And it failed before the beginning of 2007, when Weinland asked his followers to dig deep to support his apocalyptic fantasies. Too bad they didn't study his book carefully and look for verification before turning over their life savings to a false prophet.

Refail Ron, Weinland's Second Thunder

Continuing my series on False Prophet Ronald Weinland's refailed prophecies concerning the Seven Thunders of the Sixth Seal defined in his book "2008 God's Final Witness, I address Weinland's Second Thunder: earthquakes.

On pages 95-96 of his book Weinland defines the Second Thunder and mentions the tsunami of December 2004. Then he went on to state:
"The greatest destruction and loss of life from earthquakes is the direct result of collapsing buildings or the power unleashed in the form of a tsunami. Volcanoes are also associated with
earthquakes. All these things will continue to wreak havoc on man and nature in an ever increasing magnitude as we approach the very end of this age."

There have been destructive earthquakes since the tsunami. The most recent event that comes to mind was the earthquake in China last spring. But nothing of that significance comes to mind since then. Nothing in the headlines that I read.

On page 96 of his book, Weinland continued on to write:
"All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great tribulation."

Not trusting my memory, I went to the US Geological Survey website and downloaded their earthquake data since Nov of 2006, which is shortly before Weinland's tome was published. Using Excel I generated the chart below.

This chart shows a dot for each event, with the horizontal axis being the date and the vertical axis being the magnitude of the earthquake. Each unit of magnitude increases in intensity by a factor of 10. While events of magnitude 5 and higher are shown, earthquakes of magnitude 6 will damage only poorly constructed buildings.

Clicking on the chart should show a larger version. Looking at the data, if there is any kind of trend over the last two years it is that earthquakes have decreased in magnitude, at least the most powerful ones. For sure, there's no increase in the second thunder, no increase in power or recognition.

The US Geological Survey has also compiled statistics on earthquake trends.
Graphs of Worldwide Earthquake Activity.
Statistics of Earthquake Activity, Both for the US and Worldwide.
If you have the impression that earthquake activity has increased....

With less than a week remaining before the second end of the Sixth Seal, we can clearly see that the Second Thunder (Earthquakes) has not been getting progressively louder as Ron prophelied. Yet another failed prophecy.

"Second end of the Sixth Seal?" you might ask. Per Weinland's current timeline, the Sixth Seal ends on November 14 when the Seventh Seal is opened. But the Insane Liar's current timeline is his second timeline. In his first timeline, the Seventh Seal opened on March 18th.

The only ones who have ears to hear this thunder are those who have given their life savings to the False Prophet in the false hope that they will be sealed as part of the 144,000. The actual number of COG-PKG members who have been sealed is a big fat goose egg. Zilch.

Refail Ron, Weinland's First Thunder

On page 115 of "2008 God's Final Witness", False Prophet Ronald Weinland prophesied:

"During the Sixth Seal, all Seven Thunders will be getting progressively louder. Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth."

According to Weinland, the Sixth Seal was opened when the World Trade Center was destroyed on September 11, 2001. Also according to Weinland, the Seventh Seal opens in just over a week, on November 14. Actually it reopens since the Seventh Seal was first opened by Weinland on March 18th.

What does "progressively louder" mean? It could only mean that each peal of thunder is louder or more intense that was the previous. So if a thunder sounded loudly several years ago and then softer after that, then it's not getting progressively louder

Weinland's Fourth Thunder is Global Economic Upheaval. With the events of the past few weeks, we'll give him that one. Does that mean that we should recognize Ronald Weinland as a true prophet of God? Only if everything he's prophesied has come true. Including all the remaining six thunders.

On pages 92-93 of "2008 God's Final Witness", Weinland prophelied"
"Since 9/11, we have seen more rumblings from the “terror of war.” There are continuous rumblings on a lesser scale as al-Qaeda operatives strike at various times and places in the
world. However, as time passes, they will strike with far greater power than 9/11. At this time, the beginning rumblings of war are coming from Iran and will lead into greater global terror."

While there has been terrorism since 9/11, there has been no event comparable to 9/11, much less an event with "far greater power". For a time terrorism against US citizens increased as Bush mismanaged his inappropriate war in Iraq and our soldiers that he put in harm's way suffered as a result. But even that has decreased since he has listened to new advisors and managed the war better. Al-Qaeda is boxed up and is not able to repeat what it did on 9/11. Even if this is wrong and within the next week precipitate another event that overshadows 9/11, it's still a failure. Progressively getting louder doesn't mean one peal at the beginning of the Sixth Seal and another loud peal at the end with a few softer peals in between.

If Iran is indeed attempting to develop nuclear weapons, they're not there yet. While there were accusations of Iranian involvement in the Iraqi insurgence, they've hardly inflicted global terror.

So we have to give Ron a fail on the First Thunder. Actually we have to give him a Refail, since the Seventh Seal was originally opened on March 18th, and November 14th is a Rescheduled date due to failures of other post-Seventh Seal prophecies.

Refail Ron. The only ones with ears to hear this one are afflicted with tinnitus.

Ronald Weinland: "I Don't Know"

False Prophet Ronald Weinland gave yesterday's sermon from the Detroit/Toledo area. He may be taking his post-feast vacation a bit later this year as Matthews is coming to the US a week early for the elders conference to deliver the sermon next Saturday. Ron must have booked his travel as he definitely will be in London on the 29th and in Belgium/Netherlands the first weekend of December.

The False Prophet will be on ABC later this month, on the Compass program on November 23. The "A" in "ABC" stands for Australian, not American. This program may have been recorded back in January or February on Weinland's first trip of the year down under. It appears that the ABC doesn't get Ron, as they describe him as Pentecostal. Any Australian readers are invited to watch the program in 3 weeks and report on how Ron is treated.

This was the second of his "Resolve with Zeal" series. He again beat his members with the stick of no guarantee that any besides the Two Witlesses were actually sealed, to be wary of being Laodicean.

The focus returned to prophecy, with the reopening of the 7th seal on November 14 less than 2 weeks from now. He did some backpedaling on "no new president will take office in January" claiming that this was not a prophecy.

The blame is shifted to the members, that they expect him to be a fortune teller -- that's not his job. The members are set up for the failure of the second timeline with the statement that the 2nd trumpet may not blow for a year, with the challenge that they wouldn't have enough faith to stay with him. They were reminded that half of COG-PKG would have left if Ron had not "been permitted by God" to reveal the 50th "truth" in June instead of having to wait until the Feast of Trumpets. Ron forgives those of his members who talked about him and the failures of his first timeline, but they were actually speaking against God. Will COG-PKG members pass the tests to come? (The tests being the refailure of Weinland's prophecies.)

The message of fear was reiterated with the billions to die in the next few years. Ron continues to use fear, challenge, and blame to keep his members in line and sending in their tithes, including 3/4 of their second tithe. Yet another year of reaping tithes.

Not Enough Resolve

False Prophet Ronald Weinland skipped his normal post-feast vacation this year, returning from Australia directly to Cincinnati to give yesterday's sermon. He reiterated his plans to travel to Europe for the third time this year, although he hasn't booked his trip yet. Tentative plans are to the UK in late November and mainland Europe in early December.

The title of yesterday's sermon was "Resolve with Zeal" with the promise that this would be the first in a long series. The false prophet reminded his sheep that many would not be still attending if he had not "been permitted" to reveal the fiftieth "truth" back in June. Apparently they're still not bled dry financially since he accused them of lacking resolve.

The "truth" goes from God to Christ to Ron. This happens even during conversations, with God "giving Ron the knowing". But no scripture to back this up -- you'd think something could be made to text-proof this claim.

To build up their resolve he put out a stick followed by a carrot. The Spokesman Witness said that for sure only two are sealed (the Witlesses) and beyond that might be only a few. For the carrot, he said that those who followed him would live through the Great Tribulation into the millennium.

Weinland claimed that the greatest battles are yet to come. Spiritual battles, with the "beings" stirred up even more since the feast. Perhaps he had some correspondence from the IRS awaiting his return.

Ron Recycles

For the last Feast sermon given this afternoon on the Last Great Day, False Prophet Ronald Weinland showed his lack of preparation by reminiscing about the past and recycling sermons of years'-past Last Great Day sermons. Most of the time dealt with last year's "Total Resolve" sermon. His delivery was plagued by technical problems, with several disconnects of the WiFi used to connect with the members in New Zealand. The recorded file also has a number of momentary dropouts.

He mentioned that more than 500,000 copies of his books have been published. Ron claims to have spent almost $280,000 in one month at the height of his Google ad campaign last spring. And also claims a membership of 3-4 times what it was at the last Feast of Tabernacles, which if true would be in the ballpark of 1000-1500 members.

Weinland indicated that he would be restarting his Google ad campaign soon. As last year, he mandated that members send in 3/4 of their second tithe for the Google ad campaign instead of keeping it to attend the holy days. Another repeated declaration was that there will be no organized feast next year. I hope he's right. Except my reason would be that he has no members for which to organize a feast, or perhaps he's a resident of Club Fed.

Weinland confirmed the rumored Swiss bank accounts, stating that the money was put there beginning several years ago for the "two witnesses" (Ron and Laura). His expectation is they will be in Europe before long, possibly also spending time in Australia and New Zealand. Germany was also mentioned as a possibility.

With the added membership there are more pitchers to be broken and more money for the Swiss bank accounts. Time to run down the hill again.

Weinland Heads to the Gold Coast

False Prophet Ronald Weinland finished the first part of the Feast of Tabernacles in New Zealand and then headed today for Brisbane, Australia to finish up on the Gold Coast.

The emphasis has shifted back to prophecy. He indicates that he's going to start up his Internet ad campaign again, because it's better to spend the money now before it becomes worthless.

An interesting statement in his sermon: "If God had not given us the message for the 1335 days and the New Truth of understanding about the Feast of Trumpets of this year, if he had not allowed us to have that sermon, that was contained in the Feast of Trumpets, way in advance as he did, there would have been a lot of you, not a few, that would not have survived it. You could not have made it spiritually this far You would not be here today. I hope you understand that."

This statement confirms my earlier post in June that I believed that his followers weren't willing to wait for the "new truth". The sermon of June 28th announcing the new timeline earlier than he planned was primarily motivated by this and not by my scooping him by announcing the new timeline a week earlier. And God had nothing to do with it, either. It was just some tap dancing by the Insane Liar.

According to the countdown clock on my blog, it's now 29 days until the reopening of the 7th seal. Only 29 days for the other 6 Thunders to sound, and for a repealing of Duet. 18:22 to rehabilitate Ron as a Prophet of God.